WPN: yeah well just make 10% a week if they deposit on sundays.
Thrash: Go all in. Lambos bro...

He probably meant "mod privileges" - just a simple misspelling.

You may not like it, but it's certainly not derailing.

Hi Everyone:

As far as I know, relative to 2+2, Thrash did everything in an appropriate manner and some of this criticism seems unfair to me.

Best wishes,
Mason

I don't think it's unfair to criticize Thrash for using the goodwill and repute he built as a coach/player to steer players to a site with severe security issues, nor do I think it is unfair to criticize him for being the person that gave Phil Nagy a forum to lie about WPN's security measures.

https://youtu.be/YUKdz58M44U?t=7m42s


I think that due to his financial involvement with WPN, everything he says in regard to it as a "player" should be taken with a grain of salt.

Thrash, I agree with everything you have posted except for the fact about why WPN claims to have removed the DoNs. WPN says they removed them to direct traffic to the jackpots and I never saw a post where they admitted to collusion being the reason.

So not communicating = bad. Having the CEO in an arena where he has to take questions from the public also = bad

FWIW and of course take it with a grain of salt but the Captcha system (a system I personally find to be highly lacking which is why I advocate webcam) did come into place shortly after that interview.

Took a little digging. https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...8&postcount=18

I read this as not an acknowledgement that there was a collusion problem that caused the DoNs to be removed but the allegations were to much work for them to deal with so they were pulled. While it may seem like a minor detail, to me is shows how WPN tries to sweep things under the rug.

ha

like I said missing the signs of a crazy significant other when ya had a chance to get out early

now I am naked stabbed and running out the front door of my house she torched

question thrash were you refunded?

if so must be nice
if not how can you be satisfied getting cheated and not being refunded?

No I was not.

I could have and maybe should have followed up more but I didn't at the time. I will say that at least with Pokerstars the burden of proof needed to close someone's account is much less than what is needed to close the account and take the money.

I will inquire.

WPN has brought all of this upon themselves, but the people throwing Thrash to the wolves really need to get a life. Most of the people doing so have done 0 work in trying to investigate or help solve these problems and Thrash did a fine job moderating that forum. I spent more time there than probably anyone that wasn't a mod and I never one time questioned any of his decisions.

His stance was clear, don't post SN's unless you have at least a little bit of evidence, which is a fair stance. The forum was filled with thread after thread about bots/problems on WPN and he left every one of them open if they met the above criteria. He had every right to delete/close rigtard threads just saying someone is a bot because they are Russian or don't chat, neither make you a bot and you're a moron if you think otherwise.

Well I was the one who named him in my post but it honestly wasn't even supposed to be about him. My point was more that WPN used someone without official mod status OR ties to WPN, to essentially control the content and the image of their company inside its own forums.

Using a well known player and community member to purchase good will and create some ambiguity with who exactly is controlling the content allowed on the WPN subforum...

CLEARLY the orders given to Thrash were to limit the criticism and to remove any non-flattering posts all while taking the hit for being the person who decided what was and wasn't allowed....to provide a false sense of objectivity and non-bias in the moderation of WPN subforum content IMO. deflecting any criticism of the moderation of their forum away from WPN itself...

No that's wrong I was not given orders. The forum wasn't a huge part of PR for them, it was mostly just winning_td with a few exceptions. If Winning_td disagreed with my methods I would have respected most requests to change. However if he asked me to straight up censor dissent I would have refused to be party to that. Neither of those two things happened

I did at times consult winning_td or Bobo Fett about modding situations I was unsure of.

Funny enough I volunteered to be a mod due to a thread started by same guy who started this thread to pull the forum https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...um-mod-1649405

Thrash, I've said my piece and I'm not going to comment any more. It isn't going to help my game to continuously jump in on this drama. I respect that you actually have given your honest opinion about the site's security and have actually suggested solutions.

I've read your post history, and I can't find any time you've lied.

It's just extremely frustrating then the WPN brass are making money fist over fist at the expense of players who have few viable alternatives and they either lie (TD's dissembling about the reason the forum was closed), or completely blow off the concern's of the players whose rake pays their salary (Nagy).

I imagine you are in a precarious position, and I've heard good things about you from people that know you.


I think part of the reason for the animus towards you is that you happen to be the only person associated with WPN who doesn't have their head in the sand, and who isn't hiding behind an alias associated with the network.


I won't be commenting on anything WPN related anymore, but I will be watching closely and hoping that eventually the network will do right by their customers.

Good luck,

-Ham

Wow, there's been some real silliness posted today. I think there's been enough Thrash370 thrashing, and people really need to just ignore the stuff that's obviously baseless speculation.

I've been down this whole "WPN is deleting criticism1!!1!!!1!" road before, and am really not inclined to go searching again. I did that once before when someone had some specific threads they were claiming posts were deleted from, and when I went back, it was of course untrue/exaggerated - very few posts deleted, and the ones that were appeared to be OT/trolling. It's a lot of work to try and go through and search for individual posts deleted when the search isn't limited to a specific thread or two.

Someone suggested threads have been deleted - that's far easier to search. So when I go through the last 7 pages, which covers the last 4 months, here's what I found that had been deleted:

"I Pity The Fool That Thinks WPN Will Change" by 45bars (2 replies) - definitely a critical thread, but pretty personally targeted and abusive.

"Looking for colluding coaching" by doctorflush (0 replies) - obvious troll thread (admittedly somewhat amusing dark humour)

"Russia's Botroom" by clfst17 (1 reply) - see above

"Only site in history of online poker to not show cards." by Porzingis - this was deleted and the poster banned by a mod from another forum, which indicates he was OTB&Ced for spam of some sort

2 spam threads

2 transfer threads

1 staking thread

2 self-deleted threads

So, I see 3 threads deleted in 4 months deleted by WPN forum mods that were in any way critical of WPN, and I can see arguments for deleting all 3. Certainly not what I'd consider to be a systemic purging of critical threads, especially given all the threads that remain. Dozens and dozens of critical threads, containing thousands of critical posts.

Could they have been deleting a lot of critical posts within existing threads? I suppose so, but given what I found last time I searched a few threads where people had that complaint, and from my observations, I don't think anything too serious was happening in that regard. What I'm sure was happening over the last few weeks, and I saw a bit of this when I checked myself, was some deletions of OT critical posts. For example, WPN makes an announcement (sometimes these were promotional, but not always), and because everyone's pissed with them, they get a half dozen posts completely unrelated to the announcement taking them to task for something that there's already a dozen threads on the front page about. I don't think every thread in their forum had to be about botting, collusion, and the like. And people who were still choosing to play there in spite of all the warnings still want to get the information they're looking for.

So while I'm sure there were some critical posts/threads deleted, it was not nearly the problem some seem to think, and is really just a side issue IMO. As is Thrash370.

Thats really funny... the same guy bitching about no one responding to the bot issue is the same guy that was bitching at people bringing up the bot issues... this guy is playing both sides...

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...99&postcount=1

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...96&postcount=1

You seem like a very smart guy, go back to NVG where you belong and let the grown ups talk.

You lost all credibility playing both sides. I think you owe all those bot posters an apology you hypocrite.

I'm not sure what your agenda is but feels to me like you are not trying to help. Your screenshot post about Thrash results says it all.

First of all, those posts aren't playing both sides. One can be frustrated over a year ago about weak accusations clogging up threads about other things, and then a year later, suggest that 2+2 remove their advertising. And the complaints are about two completely separate groups of people - WPN for not responding, and posters for derailing. There's nothing hypocritical or contradictory about those posts.

But secondly, I think you've lost track of what this thread's about.

Your previous posts about Thrash were even more unhelpful. If you can't contribute to this thread in a more productive manner, please stop posting in it.

I don't think there's anything anyone can do or say to help. We're still in the same spot we were 1-2-3 years ago.

I take this back! After giving it some thought, I think this whole pulling the ad and forums was a dumb idea that backfired. We're now in a worse position than we were before. Players no longer have a place to communicate with staff and report bots.

I really think WPN has their hands tied behind their backs right now because of the software. If you go on http://www.igsoft.com/products/silver and look at the backend for their software, it pretty much has **** options for them to combat bots with.

I think you all owe WPN an apology and should reinstate the forums but at least tell them to chill with modding the bot threads. Atleast give them another chance until their new software comes out.

WPN should also hire more staff to look over these bot complaints also!

There's a thread in the internet forum for WPN with mods and players posting back and forth.