+1 to all of this. RE thrash370 he is a legit player and is who he says he is, it's sad to see what he got into after stars removed the sne rewards and he did what he thought was best for himself after that. As soon as i saw him announce he went with WPN for their duplicate sne prog, knowing he was a local and having already returned a stake myself I was in profit on for WPN, my heart sank I was saddened. Thrash used to be one of the good guys, at least imo. He is a 4x SNE and a skype contact of mine from like 8yrs ago, 1st coaching session I ever had I won a freebie from pokerpwnage and chose him and I have notes from it and his videos etc to this day and they are still some of the most useful ones I have he is a beast but it's sad imo to see all of this, and him doing what he did in the subforum but i understand why he did it. He used to be a great guy, may or may not be still ive got no room for comment there. Other than the banning part and infractions that I was unaware of and excessive but who knows what WPN was paying him or how since they were or still may be on the same island, literally and figuratively. End of mixed ramblings

edit - I do feel that under the circumstances thrash370 should come out with some kind of a public statement as much of a prominent figure as he is, just say something if you want to not get lumped in with the former lock pros because we all know you're a defacto site sponsored player even if you did all the forum work for free it was for your own benefit to get the games how you wanted and control the environment as best u could? Cant just disappear now and maintain respect, the more I think about it... Maybe if ur gonna keep streaming on twitch do it in espanol and quit poaching US based players.

Even he doesn't grind on WPN anymore since CEO turned off his win switch... hasnt won **** since the day CEO came on his stream for that big bink.
I guess WPN is tough for everyone hahah

What is wrong with you? I still play wpn just have had real life issues lately. I'm on over a 700k below ev swing in sngs but insinuating that my win switch was on? Your crazy is showing and is contributing nothing to this conversation.

P.s. thrash370 on Chico isn't me and is one of those suspected colluders that you guys like to pitch fork on about

I stand by every post I moderated in the forum. Plenty of topics critical of WPN were allowed to continue. I made my stance known that accusations needed at least a smidge of evidence. I was strictly a volunteer.

If I recall correctly merginhos was asked to no longer post because he couldn't refrain from posting riggie posts

Throwing Thrash under the bus for WPN's BS is kinda like the accusations of WPN having super users. I've seen no evidence to support such things.

there is plenty, most of it he probably deleted from the subforum. However nobody is throwing him under the bus, just asking him to make a statement of where he stands now in light of recent developments. He or a wpn rep said somewhere in the now closed subforum that he had been given "mod priveleges" whatever that means. One thing the guy who posted his graph left out is how much SNC and 5 star general status or whatever $ he probably made over the 700k below ev downswing he claims to be on. Basically same as SNE program, rake a milly, b/e in game = $100k annual profit from rewards program.

Funny, I alway found Thrash to be rather impartial and did his mod job quite well. If I had to choose between him and the other reps I would pick him as I felt his responses were honest and didn't tow the company line. But I guess haters gonna hate.

This is wildly untrue.

Actually, dellusional is the right way to put it.

The forum was rampant with critical posts/threads and the only time I saw posts get deleted/threads get closed was when there was an exorbanant amount of trolling and/or derailment.

As far as Thrash, I know him as a 2+2 SN and player only. Have had only generic interactions with him. Never saw him do anything to anyone who didn't deserve it. Never saw him shill for WPN. Always seemed to be fair and generally stayed out of things. Also seen him express discontent with WPN's handling of things more than once.

Going after him is pathetic. Posting his SS, the #1 troll and I'm hurting on the inside so I gotta bring people down to my level of existence, is beyond pathetic.

Not true. I've been following this daily since it came out across the forums, and saw quite a few posts missing from one day to the next in their sub-forum. I wish I had thought to screenshot them but I never thought anyone would actually argue that post deletions did not happen of course.

Maybe, the mods can look and see deleted posts?

FWIW, I mostly saw this happen in their promotional threads where I suppose they could have deemed the questions "off-topic".

Read again.

His absolutism is ridiculous.

Objectively, look at their subforum as it exists right now, frozen.

Criticism and trolling is rampant.

WPN did a lot wrong, but there wasn't an active mission to silence people.

I did add an edit since you posted this that I saw this happen exclusively in their promotional threads. It did happen there, but otherwise I would agree with you.

+1

Fair.

Saw it myself.

It was pretty much trolling in irrelevant WPN promoted threads.

Edit: I can't edit it now but I meant 700k chips below EV to clarify

I largely made my feelings known in the WPN forums. I wrote that I felt that the only way going forward to combat bots is to take the steps Pokerstars previously had and require suspect accounts to do 360 degree webcam videos to compare past play to webcam play.

I believe that botting will get more advance and a lot of the methods that currently come in to play will be overcome in years to come (similar to hacking vs people combatting hacking). I strongly believe that all sites have a botting problem right now which so given that I wanted to help move the discourse along in a way for the community to give ideas on stopping botting.

I do believe that the late reg problem was a big issue but it was rectified in a reasonable way. I would agree with the arguments that it shouldn't have happened in the first place.

I also believe WPN can and should do a better job communicating. However despite that I see attempts to rectify the main issues so I am not one jumping on the riot bandwagon.

Do you receive money from WPN or any WPN skins to promote the site?

Oh so now you wanna do it for the community? You silenced everyone that ever spoke up and never even gave them a chance. Not everyone knows how to find and prove bots. You couldve showed them how or even look at their HH instead of just brushed them off deleting their posts. We got a crew hopper right here. Time to walk the plank dude. You "volunteered" to clean forums but not help the "community".

I have an affiliate to which I do receive money and I have never hidden this fact.

Edit: except for the fact that it's normally taboo to talk about on 2+2 due to their advertising rules so I wasn't openly referencing it either.

yes many post were deleted or fused together with post omitted
I realized this when I read a thread I was in and noticed I responded to something but the above post was missing and noway would have the flow of conversation would have went that way

see to many things just stank

oppagangnam
montsis
bunsunhrst
mfg123
sakkapeetanen
obaminator
stormypetrel17
bucyrus

lets talk about those accounts ya know the ones that cheated HUSNGs for years
ya know the ones that alll disappeared right after phil waged his bot wars
ya know the ones that every reg of HUSNG's spoke about for years
ya know the ones who broke TOS for years and never once was there a refund

lets talk about seems how the WPN rep, ceo, and anybody else in a position of power at this network who refused to

You don't advertise this fact either.

You are using whatever reputation you have had as a player and are parlaying it in favor of a network you financially benefit from.

I am aware that you have personally deleted threads about bots in the WPN forum, as was your right as mod.


But when you get on other forums as a once-respected player/coach and masquerade like you're some kind of impartial customer, it's a bit disingenuous.

This practice may not be outright lying like Winning_TD's last post but in my mind it is an extremely deceptive practice.


Do you actually believe that ACR was ever the "most bot unfriendly place on the internet," as Nagy said it was?


How do you feel about players who look up to you because of your reputation depositing their money on a site that has been woefully inadequate in dealing with cheating?

How do you feel about outright dishonesty on this forum from official representatives of WPN?

Your financial interest necessarily disclaims you from an unbiased opinion, and not mentioning that fact is not in keeping with neither the letter nor the spirit of 2+2 advertising rules.

I list "twitching" as my location that openly shows on 2+2. It doesn't take much jumping from there to get to my twitch page which would show to the fact I'm not hiding anything.

No I do not believe ACR is the most bot unfriendly place on the internet, I believe pokerstars to be.

Re: Cheating. If you are referencing bots then you should probably not play on any sites online at the moment that aren't stars. I feel stars has done the step necessary in webcam videos. That being said as a former SNE I feel better giving other sites my action than stars (I don't solely play on WPN).

As far as collusion the two times I have reported collusion rings they have been shutdown, that is to my satisfacton as a player. A lot of the cheating brought down on stars as well was player reported. That being said WPN can make improvements in the area but they haven't shown themselves to be pro cheating. They followed pokerstars step in removing DONs a notorious collusion cesspool of a format (I do actually enjoy this format sadly).

How do I feel about the dishonesty of the rep? I would have to see the comments in question. My past experience is that they would dodge an uncomfortable subject rather than give an untruthful answer but if you show me a comment otherwise I will respond.

You're just trying to box me in. I never claimed to be unbiased. I don't know what beef you have with me but I'm done participating in derailing.

I think he was the financial asset manager for ACR's Bitcoin stockpile.

He was in charge of making sure the company doesn't lose out holding bitcoin.

He probably thought the last drop was just a dip and ****ed **** up so he went missing from the forums during that period..

Team HODL lost 60%+ and now gotta find ways to pump the economy back up and get money for withdrawals.

wait what..? this is huge if true have u got any links or proof? how'd you wind up thinking Thrash was in charge of WPN's bitcoin or whatever you're implying im confused. And what's team HODL?

lol seriously? Someone managing funds usually gets a commission I'd be long retired from playing poker after that run up.