It make's sense if the bot's are house bots, etc.

Doesn't make sense at all. It's rather disturbing that their attitude is just "**** it, pull all of our advertising" right in the middle of a series when they've been bleeding money since January. Who wants advertising all over the biggest place for poker on the internet anyway.....

if you dont deposit you pay 0 rake. if you dont deposit you arent important.
I think they should their forum to increase visibility for depositors, the players that matter.

Wouldn't they just then say ok our bots are busted and close all their bot accounts, publish it on 2+2, get a well done form 2+2 forum posters for banning all the bots, and just open new bot accounts. Doing this with all the other stuff they have already done captcha etc, would be a good way to promote their site.

Yes the bots would likely be busted again but at east it would look like they done the right thing banning the bots and they could also update their bots so they aren't busted as often.

This all if they actually were in house bots.

Umm but isn't that the whole point? WPN has shown zero evidence of changing their ways up to this point. Maybe the only thing that will is when they see it hurt their bottom line. Holy **** dude, I would hope someone wouldn't have to explain that to you.

It is weird unless you think of it this way. WPN has constantly swept things under the rug. So in their eyes by coming out and saying to everybody what changes they made is admitting there was a problem in the first place. And if they do that then they are opening up themselves to having the players calling for refunds.

It is sort of ironic that it was their lack of transparency when actually doing something positive is what got them kicked off of 2+2.

my reading comprehension level didn't come to that conclusion, I must admit I am like a 1 out of 10 though

i read as they were removed until further notice, and from what I understand is that no act other then not answering X questions from 2 + 2 brass concerning issues from a group of this sites members who use the services at wpn is what caused the removal not the actual concerns themselves or solutions etc etc simply just the act of not responding over a time period that was deemed ample time to respond

did I misread?

LOL, from what I understand their customer service is brutal to deal with. Maybe that's the straw that broke the camel's back.

My understanding is 2+2 had concerns regarding various security issues at WPN ( the usual ones) that weren't being addressed in the forum. In the name of game integrity 2+2 reached out to WPN to get clarification on what the current state was with these issues. When WPN didn't respond 2+2 decided not to do business with WPN until it showed them the network was taking the issues seriously.

Look past your own self interest bro, WPN is doing some pretty ****ed up stuff in many different areas, some not so public yet. I get it, you play there and don't have options, I'm in the same boat, but letting others get taken advantage of by cheats isn't the answer just because the site is still profitable.

Used to enjoy playing WPN tournaments on Sundays. With all of this shady stuff going on, I am going to sit out until major changes are made. I am a rec player already at a skill disadvantage so no shot I will play while integrity is in question. Just deleted the software from my computer. Guess I'll find something else to keep me busy on Sundays. Glad its getting warmer outside :-)

I am curious how rigorous the procedure was that your friends had to go through to reopen their accounts. Would it actually have prevented a cheater from getting their account reopened?

I don't think the high volume players are going to be the ones to stop playing.

I don't know the specifics of it. One guy was back the next day. Long term winner, not huge numbers, straight laced, and not at all shady. I believe he just had to prove the two IP addresses he used were his. His WiFi crapped out and he jumped to his hotspot off his phone. He was deep into a MTT and I do not believe he got back on until the next morning. He was alerted mid-game to contact security and was locked up.

Another guy is a last minute register type. He is not working with anyone else, but enters and hodls for the cash, not a big winner just a couple grand. I have no clue what they asked him, but he is still not back. It has been about ten days. I don't believe I ever saw him disconnect for more time, but I have seen him fold small blinds to leave a couple of chips, literally, in PLO and no ante games.

The other ones I know/heard of were all interrupted mid-game and had to contact security. They were back up and running shortly thereafter. I think WPN are really doing some work behind the scenes. Most of the ones that I know of are definitely not marquee type accounts, huge winners, LB chasers, etc... I had not heard of any of this kind of activity in the past and I go back to Doyle's Room, not saying it didn't happen. The seating issue with late registration for MTTs has been fixed, 100%. Malesynchuk, krapty-something another, delfinchik, prettyoleysa, etc...have not played since the seating script changes.

To the admins: Can you please update this thread as of today? Has WPN responded to your questions yet or given any sort of response?

I also want to thank the hardworking 2+2 staff for standing up for poker players. I am a rec player that got royally fked over when EPN vanished, losing thousands. With popularity of poker losing the steam of pre-black friday days, its absolutely crucial for players to have trust in fair play. It is also absolutely crucial for poker sites to show integrity. It's nice to know 2+2 is, at the very least, looking out for best interest of the players.

We have not received any reply.

You won't, either, they don't care and Phil's attitude on this is **** 2+2 we don't need them even though 2+2 is the only reason they are even 1/5 of the size they are.

They really do think this will all just blow over without ever having to address, which is just hilarious.

yeh, live chat is horrendous. To start a chat you need to put in your email and query first, then the chat starts and someone speaks usually within a few minutes. Their first question is your email and query (facepalm.jpg) but also username. Then when you query something which you already know is a problem THEIR end (like cashiers for example), they ask you about your ****ing anti virus and firewall, and when that isn't the problem they just hang up.

Hi Red:

There is now some communication between us and an intermediary, but at this time I think it’s best not to say any more.

Best wishes,
Mason

Thanks for the update Mr. Malmuth

Wow, talk about amateur hour.

That's not even a bad example. Online chat reps have the cognitive ability of a box or rocks. The fact that it has been this way for so long leads me to believe the underlying issue is more related to poor management vs something nefarious. I mean, how hard is it to find someone competent enough to read your question and return an answer that addresses it?

“1/3 of a cup of heavy creame” ~ Matthew C.

Lmao, your inbox will be cluttered with job offers from various networks.

That's great that there is some communication and I completely respect you not wanting to say to much right now. But if the WPN forum reopens will we the players get the whole story so we can make informed decisions on whether or not we wish to play on the network?

I think we can rest assured that when the dust settles., 2+2 will be entirely open and honest with us about the state of affairs. Now will WPN be completely transparent with 2+2?? No idea. But I do not think any of us need to worry about 2+2 hiding things from us about these issues.

worse than that....they gave out infractions & WPN sub-forum BANS for almost anyone who tried to discuss subjects that might shed a negative light on WPN.

heck they even used a non-official moderator in an extremely shady manner; essentially doing their dirty work & silencing any negative critics while being able to distance, deflect & deny specific involvement or knowledge of complaints.

I'd like to know how many innocent players were banned from even discussing their findings by that 'Thrash370' guy...aka the wpn shill with mod powers yet no official mod designation or title. Did Mason or someoene ever even approve of that sort of moderating?

i also have tried to warn people....was told years ago there were some really shady characters involved in the poker room operation...the type of people that just are not involved or interested in running legit & clean businesses.

also some really smart industry people have questioned their bold business ambitions...their business model in 2018 just does not jive with the current state of affairs. particularly when you're still serving US players. there is something off.

where theres smoke theres fire!!