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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
When I saw this thread, my first instinct was to say definitely not at this point, for two reasons:
1) We've seen many botting, collusion, and other cheating problems on almost every site. Some pretty major bot/collusion rings on major advertisers like Stars, that were uncovered by players and weren't immediately dealt with.
Perhaps not immediately in all cases, but certainly faster than WPN's response has been to several accusations of cheating on the site which have occurred for over a year at least.
I know that Doug Polk was refunded money by Stars after he reported cheating. I'm not sure the exact timeframe, but Stars dealt with the cheating in a very laudable fashion.
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2) I'm concerned that a lot of stuff is being thrown at the wall by Joey and others, a number of which are at this point far from proven. I've seen him mention superusing multiple times, but I've seen little in the way of evidence. And then recently an accusation about a bot that at least a couple of people are positive isn't one, and I'm not sure that he really knew much about what results should look like at that game. This isn't meant to besmirch Joey or what he's trying to do, but it seems he's a little scattershot with what he's trying to do right now, and I don't think that is helping anyone get their head around what's going on. I saw someone suggest in one of the threads that it might be better to concentrate efforts on one issue at a time, with the late entry tournament issue being an obvious one to start with. And perhaps it would be better if things were a little more fleshed out before they were posted. But I don't think it's my place to tell anyone how it's best to proceed with the ongoing investigation/revelations, as I'm certainly not an expert on these matters.
As you are aware, accusations of cheating have being going on for months by forum members. I know you're aware because you have participated in the WPN when upset users have complained about botting in the games several months ago.
You are right that the accusations of various forms of cheating on WPN should be dealt with separately. Claims of users cheating with bots predate Joey's video by
years.
Does the forum have a explicit standard for the promotional business relationships it enters into? Is there a line to be crossed, so to speak?
When Peter Clarke was promoting the Grinder's Manual in the book forum, Mr. Malmuth engaged him with a rigorous examination. That kind of exhaustive discussion was good for all parties involved, in my opinion.
I'm well aware that this is a different issue entirely, but I'd love to see the same type of rigor applied in regard to 2+2's relationship with WPN.
2+2 is the gold standard in the poker world, and I would hate see its reputation tarnished by association with a company which does not enjoy the same sterling reputation, to say the least.