so what exactly is happening right now? are there still talks between 2+2 and wpn? I know I sure as hell wont ever play there again until a third party can verify the site is cleaned up

I don't believe we have heard anything.

Their inability to communicate with a business partner and one of the most respected names in poker speaks volumes to me about the professionalism of their management. Nobody should be surprised if some kind of scandal comes out about them in the future.

Yep, and in my eyes the longer they remain silent the more obvious it becomes that they are trying to hide something

TBH.. They will never respond. The forums werent doing **** but bringing more problems and work to them. The games will go on and the majority will still play there.

Yes and if you call them up as a longtime player, the people who answer the phone insist that they aren't aware of any investigation by 2+2 or change in their advertising status/ability here. They're just out and out lying which I guess pretty much answers my question about whether or not to play there at this point.

We have no investigation. Our users expressed a variety of concerns. We reached out to them and asked for these concerns to be addressed before renewing any advertising. They declined to answer.

Maybe they simply decided not to advertise with us after all these years. We do not know.

Touche`

WPN forum will be removed from the forum lists in a few days.

No special significance to the timing nor is it a big event - we kept the links around for a while so our members wouldn't wonder why it seemed to just disappear all of a sudden, but now it's time.

The forum will still be able to be accessed via the URL just like other retired forums, and posts there should remain searchable.

And this changes nothing in terms of our future with WPN - we would still be open to them returning if they wanted to and were able to respond satisfactorily to the concerns we raised. Their reps are also welcome to continue responding to players' concerns, whether they advertise with us or not, as if the case with all site reps.

I have rarely posted to 2 Plus 2; this will be my first response under this alias and I only have this one because I forgot my other login details because it's been so long since I've actually read anything on here. That being said; I find ACR to be a good site that is one of the only options out there for players in the US.

That being said I think the approach on two-plus-two to attack ACR and even when they do respond continue to be critical of them is not helpful. I'm a recreational player; but I do play at every stake and typically keep at least 10k on the site. Although losing the money would suck if I do it's not going to have an impact on me. I only point that out to add color because I'm not advocating for ACR and telling anyone to keep money on there if they can't afford to lose it.

My point is that maybe I don't know enough of the background but for me; bots are going to be an issue that you are going to have to get used to in online poker. I don't agree with an overly aggressive strategy on Bots or collusion; I believe your innocent until proven guilty. If there are stats outside the mean the player should be contacted and they should be given the opportunity to justify there play. I have seen postings of players are not bots and they are being accused of being bots and it would be terrible to pull someone from the site when they are not cheating.

ACR is the only company out there that I know of that has a real option to play; whomever does have contacts should open up a real conversation. Joey; who I'm personally impressed with and has carved out his own little niche is amazing; he had the balls to make that happen and I respect it. That being said; I was highly disappointed with his approach; I do appreciate the intent.

From my experience these are the reasons I think that not making a serious effort to fix the relationship with ACR is a mistake:

- Overall Site experience for me has been amazing; fun to play there and runs well
- Big Tournaments
- Decent Level stakes (although it would be nice to have higher stakes)
- ACR has provided a good level of customer service
- every single client service person I have spoken to has been helpful and gone out of there way to provide me a good experience
- Deposit options include more than just crypto in the US and I have found them to be very easy
- I use my AMEX card and have made 2k deposits without issue
- Cash out Options
- Again; customer service has been extremely helpful and easy

Last; I will leave you with this which is the most important point. Stars is not an option now but if they were do you think a public company they are ever going to have a site that is dedicated to poker players or an organization that needs to satisfy shareholders? Somebody who has a relationship with ACR needs to put there ego aside and have a fair conversation with ACR and not make demands are attack them. There are issues yes; but nobody wants to have an ugly baby and taking the right approach is the key to me.

That being said, once I read this, I had to discard your entire post as it is surely BS.

Have you read through this thread? How does a conversation take place when they won't respond? The lack of communication from them is the reason the forum was removed. Nobody from Two Plus Two management made unreasonable demands or attacked them. Maybe you should try asking them to respond to Two Plus Two management and let them know why it's important to you to see their forum returned.

This is kind of a strange post. You seem to feel very strongly about the topic, but yet it appears that you haven't even bothered to read the thread.

At least your spelling and grammar were entertaining, so thanks for that.

When he decides to post under an alias it's clear he's just an undercover poster from WPN. It's sad that this is how they finally decide to respond publicly to all of this, by using a fake account as propaganda.

I really love the part from WPN, where a high stakes player didn't solve their captcha or whatever it's called. The guy played the highest stakes and didn't solve the captcha right got his account frozen after getting it right a bunch of other times. It's not that they had the captcha to get rid of bots, or the dude didn't do it in time. It's that they didn't send an email to a person that had a small fortune on the site about not solving a software test for bots when he's playing stakes that a bot could not be crushing like he was.

I play on the site but it's straight up armature hour over there.

I don't know if I could be arsed to do it, but would an unofficial WPN (non-cashout) thread be allowed to live in the general Internet forum?

Like this one?

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...hread-1112097/

Go ahead. Make my day.

Thanks Mike! Missed that

Edit: Thread title needs moar asterisks.

And how about making it named "Unofficial" instead of "Ex-Official"?

And make it into a sparkly animated gif.

I was playing there too. Having nice results at Jackpot poker playing at all limits.
Every time I saw a thread about bots I was thinking like "LOL, some fish is losing money again".

When I saw what happened here I realized this isn't a joke anymore.
So for the first time I asked myself "what if".

It was few months before that - I talked to a friend and said to him that it's funny that all regs always play only one table. Yeah, I needed few months to figure out what is 2+2 .
But seriously. Never two tables. Just one (1).

They weren't bad at all. Around 5 of them at 10$ tables. After few thousands hands and comparing stats it was obviously enough to me what is very likely going on.

So back to your point about bots.
I'm trying to understand why you think bots are something we should get used to it. Or you are saying we can make money out of them?

I agree fair conversation is needed.

I wouldn't put too much weight behind what that person said there. They clearly don't understand the extent of the issue.

Their fear of players being falsely accused is overblown. I think the majority of the legit winning regs on the network would gladly provide whatever proof needed to determine they weren't botting if it meant the removal of the bots that currently inhabit most of their games.

I do agree that accounts should be innocent until proven guilty. The thing is that several legit regs on the network have already found the damning proof needed to find these accounts guilty of botting.

A strong stance against the network due to their lack of action taken against the rampant botting issue found in their games is the right approach to take with them until the network shows some noticeable and consistent improvement in that area.

I'd also not put a lot of weight behind it because he posted it almost a year ago, but hasn't bothered to come back and respond to any of the replies he received.