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The Truth About Separating Kids

The Truth About Separating Kids
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1) Family units can go home quickly. The option that both honors our laws and keeps family units together is a swift return home after prosecution. But immigrant advocates hate it because they want the migrants to stay in the United States. How you view this question will depend a lot on how you view the motivation of the migrants (and how seriously you take our laws and our border).

2) There’s a better way to claim asylum. Every indication is that the migrant flow to the United States is discretionary. It nearly dried up at the beginning of the Trump administration when migrants believed that they had no chance of getting into the United States. Now, it is going in earnest again because the message got out that, despite the rhetoric, the policy at the border hasn’t changed. This strongly suggests that the flow overwhelmingly consists of economic migrants who would prefer to live in the United States, rather than victims of persecution in their home country who have no option but to get out.

Even if a migrant does have a credible fear of persecution, there is a legitimate way to pursue that claim, and it does not involve entering the United States illegally. First, such people should make their asylum claim in the first country where they feel safe, i.e., Mexico or some other country they are traversing to get here. Second, if for some reason they are threatened everywhere but the United States, they should show up at a port of entry and make their claim there rather than crossing the border illegally.

3) There is a significant moral cost to not enforcing the border. There is obviously a moral cost to separating a parent from a child and almost everyone would prefer not to do it. But, under current policy and with the current resources, the only practical alternative is letting family units who show up at the border live in the country for the duration. Not only does this make a mockery of our laws, it creates an incentive for people to keep bringing children with them.

Children should not be making this journey that is fraught with peril. But there is now a premium on bringing children because of how we have handled these cases. They are considered chits.

In April, the New York Times reported:

Some migrants have admitted they brought their children not only to remove them from danger in such places as Central America and Africa, but because they believed it would cause the authorities to release them from custody sooner.

Then this happens and nobody is even temp banned

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Originally Posted by zikzak

**** off, adios.

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Originally Posted by master3004

You're an evil mother****er

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Originally Posted by dth123451

I think just telling him to **** off and die like the rest of the stupid racist old white people is perfectly acceptable

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Originally Posted by StoppedRainingMen

**** off and die

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Originally Posted by Matty Lice

Hey adios,
Are you a father? If your kids were stolen from you like Marco Antonio Munoz's kids, would you kill yourself? Happy Father's Day you ****ing ghoul.

06-17-2018 , 03:02 PM

Mat Sklansky

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this is a problem?

these are words on an internet message board.

but i guess it's a "problem" i sort of have the ability to "fix".

and will, as soon as you fix my problem. i need my penis to be 50 percent bigger in circumference and one inch shorter

06-17-2018 , 03:02 PM

Morphismus

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OP I understand your anger and those of the others. What this adios dude is posting is just outrageous!

06-17-2018 , 03:06 PM

LostOstrich

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agree adios should definitely be banned. Pure scum.

06-17-2018 , 03:46 PM

zikzak

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**** off, OP.

06-17-2018 , 04:44 PM

Mr.mmmKay

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Everybody calm down right now!

Sklansky needs a bigger penis

06-17-2018 , 05:14 PM

niss

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Richard B, why do you post this under a new account? What happened to adios is so patently offensive that you should have the courage of your convictions and post it on the account you have that frequents the politics forum. And if that account has been banned (wrongly, of course), you should disclose who you are, as your words likely will have more weight once your identity is disclosed.

06-17-2018 , 05:23 PM

niss

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And the only problem 2+2 can solve is, uh, 2+2.

06-17-2018 , 06:09 PM

madlex

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Banning Adios would solve the problem. Then nobody can use offensive language to respond to his posts anymore. Easy game.

But how do we solve that penis situation?

06-17-2018 , 06:17 PM

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well named

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Depending on the current circumference a good plastic surgeon might be able to do something with the last inch?

06-17-2018 , 09:14 PM

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gregorio

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It's ridiculous that adios hasn't been banned yet and how small Mat's penis is.

06-17-2018 , 09:23 PM

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fatkid

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Damn did you pee em the mod?

06-17-2018 , 09:42 PM

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gregorio

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His joined 2p2 just in time to read the offending post. He can't access PMs yet.

06-17-2018 , 10:18 PM

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niss

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Originally Posted by gregorio

His joined 2p2 just in time to read the offending post. He can't access PMs yet.

Talk about coinkidinks!

06-18-2018 , 01:16 AM

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master3004

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Unless the B stands for Ball-Stretcher, I have no idea how you're going to help Mat with his problem.

06-18-2018 , 05:19 AM

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MCAChiTown

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06-18-2018 , 07:00 AM

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bundy5

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Originally Posted by niss

Ok if it helps you I will post it. I'm not sure how that changes the point being made.

06-18-2018 , 10:28 AM

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master3004

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Brilliant

06-18-2018 , 11:59 AM

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goofyballer

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Get ****ed, adios

06-18-2018 , 12:33 PM

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lagtight

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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky

this is a problem?

these are words on an internet message board.

but i guess it's a "problem" i sort of have the ability to "fix".

and will, as soon as you fix my problem. i need my penis to be 50 percent bigger in circumference and one inch shorter

Exactly!

Which is why I don't understand why several months ago I was "temp-banned" for using a word that offends some gay people.

In the Politics Forum, you don't get banned for being offensive per se, just for being offensive to certain groups that the mods want to coddle.

I'm fine with an "anything goes" approach, but each forum has specific rules that seem to only be enforced(in many cases) if the aggrieved party is part of a "protected" group.

06-18-2018 , 12:39 PM

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lagtight

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Originally Posted by Morphismus

OP I understand your anger and those of the others. What this adios dude is posting is just outrageous!

But apparently name-calling and hurling profanity is preferable to constructing a reasonable counter-argument. (After all, constructing a counter-argument would require thinking, and who needs to think if you can get the job done by hurling insults?)

06-18-2018 , 12:51 PM

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well named

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Originally Posted by lagtight

But apparently name-calling and hurling profanity is preferable to constructing a reasonable counter-argument.

If there were no previous history, I'd be somewhat more inclined to agree with you here, and even as is I'm not myself especially fond of the way the stuff in the OP went down.

But it's definitely relevant that adios has a long history of drive-by trolling, usually in the form of dumping a link to some article and then refusing to actually engage in any substantive discussion of it. It's not really hard to tell that his main intent is to troll. The people responding to him know that, and respond accordingly. I'd guess I've seen at least a half dozen times where people have taken the time to post reasonable counter-arguments to his trollish posts, often rebutting him by quoting from the links he himself has posted but not bothered to read. They were not rewarded for their efforts. Why should they be expected to put 10x as much effort into their response as he put into his post?

I'm on record in the past as thinking there is some validity to complaints about the culture of the politics forum, but (and this has pretty much always been the case) the people complaining tend to be such bad posters that it's hard to feel like it's really worth sticking up for their "right" to post. I mean I'm sure at this point it's also something like a vicious circle too, where the culture of the forum dissuades all but the dumbest or trolliest conservatives from bothering to post, but nevertheless the pattern where it's mostly bad posters complaining about the forum has held for a pretty long time.

06-18-2018 , 12:57 PM

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lagtight

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Originally Posted by well named

Thank you well named for your thoughtful post. You're a breath of fresh air around here! I'm relatively new to the Politics Forum, and I'm not aware of the history of various posters on that forum. Thanks again for taking the time to respond.

06-18-2018 , 01:59 PM

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master3004

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Originally Posted by lagtight

SOMEBODY has a bone to pick with the CRA

06-18-2018 , 02:09 PM

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goofyballer

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Originally Posted by lagtight

In the Politics Forum, you don't get banned for being offensive per se, just for being offensive to certain groups that the mods want to coddle.

What's funny about the general "safe space" and "snowflake" accusations is that conservatives are universally the ones who come whining to ATF and continue to ***** and moan here about it for months after their removal for endless ****ty posting (see: BroadwaySushy, bundy5, soon to be preki).

FlyWf has been temp-banned dozens of times and never once complained. Grow a spine, *****.

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