Do other organizations that take sports bets do what you are upset about, Tom Cowley? And should all of the others(if there are any) be allowed to advertise? Would you be willing to pay a fee to post on 2+2(I would not be opposed)rather than have this type of organization advertise? How should they have handled the situation?

I think Bobo has done a good job of trying to understand the issue.

I am glad to see a rep here in the discussion

I have to admit that I've never seen a support thread in the Zoo or anywhere else turn into a purely self-promoting thread. There's no customer support going on whatsoever.

has turned into

I could never imagine an FTP, Stars or any other rep being allowed to post this way outside of sponsored forums.

With all respect to Bobo, I don't think the experiment worked.

Not sure if you have read the entire thread, but there has been a negative attack campaign on me that has involved my CBB service, my overall integrity, as well as whether or not I deserved to have this thread in the first place. As far off-topic as the thread has gone, I certainly do not see it being inappropiate to post past acheivements of the service in my defense.

TomCowley certainly does not have any care for accuracy in his posts.

It's our opinion that RightAngle has a right to respond to the criticisms, this is the way he has chosen to respond, and it's up to him on how he wants to respond.

Mason

Hi Tom:

I don't see it this way. In my opinion, what appears to be happening is that RightAngle is simply arguing that his service does have good handicapping expertise and that's why he brings up the CBB since he states that their results here were quite good.

Now you may argue for other reasons that his WNBA handicapping skills are not so good, and you are certainly entitled to your opinion and I believe you have given your reasons as to why this is the case. But I also think that you are linking RightAngle's CBB results a little too closely with the other issues that you are negative on.

Best wishes,
Mason

I have read the entire thread. Unfortunately this has only turned in to a "campaign" because in dozens of posts you keep repeating the same points:

- front-running is not cheating
- past results are an indication of future results

TomCowley hasn't brought anything new to the table either, but you keep getting baited into challenging him to prop-bets, ad hominem attacks, etc. You're really not doing yourself a lot of favors by entertaining him to the degree that you have been. I can totally sympathize that you feel a need to defend yourself, but I think you need to find a more effective line to do it (which may involve not replying to every single post that you consider a troll).

I appreciate the reply and understand that it's an unusual situation. I hope it remains an exceptional case going forward.

Sure- but he does.

"Things that happened during the 2008 CBB season" are, of course, getting caught using the bank robber to front-run.

... it is beyond belief that anyone that would admit to having a life would take this much time and energy out of a 3-day holiday weekend for this...

TC, can you just clarify something.. I lurk the SB forum a lot and have followed this saga from the start.. but 2008 was before my time. Was it an ACTUAL bank robber that he was giving the plays to, or is that being used as some sort of metaphor? Like, I can understand calling the guy he gave plays to a "bank robber" but did the guy ever hold up a bank for real?

RAS has gone 10-1 with his picks over the last couple of days.

Where did everybody go? Hilarious...

Huh? That has nothing to do with anything.

we're all betting their plays for them before they release the numbers to the public

FWIW, this ad campaign has been cancelled.

While in-depth investigations of every advertiser just isn't feasible, I would expect that any sports handicappers that look to advertise here in the future will be looked at more closely.

By whom?

At the advertiser's request.

So be it. TTHRIC, I suppose.

No sports handicapper will ever be condoned by posters ITT. There are none as or more qualified than us IMO. There is no service worth a damn that isn't betting their own stuff in some fashion. That is just reality.

Hurrr durrr etc.

In some fashion does not mean selling your picks to someone else and handwaving it away.

lol ethics. Buy a book man. You have seriously a child-like understanding of ethical behavior.

Yes, an actual, literal, convicted bank robber. I mean robbing banks wasn't his current occupation, but he'd done time for it in the late 90s.

Our picks are not "sold" to anyone but our clients.

hahahaha awesome.

Again. You splice hairs over what a cut of net wins is. If you asked someone I buy picks from what I "pay", both he and I would acknowledge that net win % is a "payment". You seem to be stuck on this despite admitting to no moral duty to your clients other than +EV (not maximal, just the existence of some +EV picks, keep in mind that destroying the market and post fee everyone could be -EV and 100% -EG, but you handwave this away. Please don't use the same argument you used before about prior results. Since if that were the case you'd still be paying a thief).