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07-25-2021 , 03:34 PM
I think focusing on efficiency is useful, but being streamlined doesn't make a great forum. In the glory days, 2p2 was more about gambling than civilized intellectual discussion (not that the discourse now is anything resembling intellectual LOL). I think a focus on gossip, BBV, etc should be the primary focus. r/WSB is a great example, because it's mostly dumbass people gambling and celebrating being a degen. Poker is about getting drunk, losing money, talking ****, and drama. The game is going to continue in the wrong direction if it's treated as an intellectual sport, a precise mathematical art, a place for computer nerds and math geeks etc. Elevate 2p2 by focusing on creating a more jovial atmosphere, the good strat talk can happen in the corners of the website, or over PMs. 2p2 can be a driver of returning poker to something fun, a place to escape your wife and kids for a few hours. That's what creates a rich poker culture and money making opportunities for those savvy enough to figure it out on their own or with a small group of friends.
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07-26-2021 , 09:59 AM
FREE nos1nos2!
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07-26-2021 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
FREE nos1nos2!
I support a free NOS1NOS2 movement. Granted I am NOS1NOS2 so my support is a bit self-serving.

I'd also like to bring back the bizarro world version of 2P2, Ed Hardy bedding sets, and little boy ghosts.
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07-26-2021 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by markdirt
The game is going to continue in the wrong direction if it's treated as an intellectual sport, a precise mathematical art, a place for computer nerds and math geeks etc.
there's a place for this sort of theoretical garbage, but for whatever reason it keeps getting posted in beginners questions rather than poker theory
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07-27-2021 , 04:33 PM
The state they left this place, cleanup crew on aisle post a picture from your phone to the internet please.
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07-27-2021 , 11:37 PM
Why did you buy this place? I was gone for like 6 years and it’s literally the same exact people. Some places it’s the same exact threads.

Why
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07-29-2021 , 10:56 PM
put back the YEARS OF THREADS that you deleted from the Free Software forum

what goes through your minds to erase decades of internet history and knowledge like that?

DO NOT DELETE ANYTHING
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07-29-2021 , 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by greg nice
put back the YEARS OF THREADS that you deleted from the Free Software forum

what goes through your minds to erase decades of internet history and knowledge like that?

DO NOT DELETE ANYTHING
Greg Nice is right. There were a lot of smart people who posted here in the past.
Not midwit CS guys but actual very smart people. You might destroy things that have tremendous value.
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07-30-2021 , 12:49 AM
Free Software subforum has been merged with Commercial Software subforum into a single Software forum.

User content is of extraordinary value to this website. We can't delete it.
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07-30-2021 , 08:40 AM
Allow more freedom of speech. I don't mean allowing the peddling of lies and crazy stuff like anti vac,4chan trash which are demonstrably false, but more freedom in terms of interaction between users. These days people get offended so easily when they hear something they don't want to hear, and complain to mods, who then just brand users as disruptive and ban them, to the point where discussion has become too sanitized to bother being interesting. I know the snow flakes love that but it creates a sterile boring community. I know users who were randomly banned despite never breaching the forum demerit point system, because a certain mod just decided he had enough on his own personal whim.

And get rid of a thread starters ability to cry to mods to ban users from posting in their thread. Don't make a thread in a public forum if can't accept the public posting in it. Its not your personal space.

Last edited by Jimmy Busto; 07-30-2021 at 08:52 AM.
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07-30-2021 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Andrii Plakhotnyi
Free Software subforum has been merged with Commercial Software subforum into a single Software forum.

User content is of extraordinary value to this website. We can't delete it.
my apologies, somehow the default "display options" were only showing threads from the last 2 weeks.. i've changed it to show from the "beginning" and now i see many more threads
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07-30-2021 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
Set up the new site so younger and more diverse group of people can dominate the discussion instead of 50 year old dweebs.
I think we've already established that younger people stopped posting on message boards like this one a decade ago.
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07-30-2021 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by madlex
I think we've already established that younger people stopped posting on message boards like this one a decade ago.
Madlex, thank you for at least touching on the substance of my post.

First, I have a genuine concern for the way young people have been treated on this website and that included me. I can list plenty of examples. I think IÂ’m speaking for a large group of people who donÂ’t post here now. I just wish that so many young people were not treated badly on these forums.
I am someone who wants to see two plus two move in the right direction. I would in general agree that young people have moved away from message boards like this one and towards Reddit, Snapchat , and Twitch. However, I donÂ’t think thatÂ’s the full story, there are tons of successful forums that have lots of young people on them, and I think the site can be redisigned to attract a newer broader audience and hopefully have less trolls.
I donÂ’t think what I wrote is offensive. Like I said IÂ’m in my 30Â’s and do not see myself as part of the group of people IÂ’d like to see two plus two move towards. In other words IÂ’m getting old and think I should take a back seat let alone people much older than me. IÂ’ve often wondered what 2p2 culture would be like if instead of constantly bein trolled by people who have been using message boards for 30 years, we just let 90% of the posts be by people in the 18-28 year old range and see what kind of legendary posters and inside jokes and memes they make on their own. My guess is it would be friendlier to women, lgbt people, young players and in the long run become something I would enjoy reading more than what I’m reading now.
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07-30-2021 , 05:59 PM
I’m not that much older and don’t disagree with you on any of that. I just don’t think there’s a realistic path to get that demographic to post here.

If you have any ideas how to get there without upsetting the current user base, the new owners would certainly like to hear them.
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07-30-2021 , 06:02 PM
Why did they make the in thread titles not bold, different size now? Not good.
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07-30-2021 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by madlex
IÂ’m not that much older and donÂ’t disagree with you on any of that. I just donÂ’t think thereÂ’s a realistic path to get that demographic to post here.

If you have any ideas how to get there without upsetting the current user base, the new owners would certainly like to hear them.
ThatÂ’s a real challenge, and both on this forum and in real life IÂ’ve often been somewhat divisive, I donÂ’t mean to be but itÂ’s my personality.

I know IÂ’ve posted here for 15 years and got a lot out of it.
I know you could try being nicer to young people in a genuine way.
I know this forum used to be more fun but itÂ’s not fun to have most of your comments meant with decisive derision.

Try and reward talent over trolling. I like the idea of people being allowed to post their own books and coaching threads. Consider holding twitch contests, and art contests.
Consider having a thing unrelated to threads where you can post a hand with a hand replayer, write a short few paragraphs about the hand under the replayer and if people choose to they can like your hand. I realize most hands posted will be like, low stakes KK vs AA garbage. But the hands/ short thought process with the most likes could get upvoted and at the top of the list would be amazing hands with great analysis and tough spots.
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07-31-2021 , 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
Andrii, you could definitely start with removing jalexand42 as a BFI moderator. He has threatened to ban me for posting official government data, and told me to take it up with the new ownership if I want, all while ignoring trolls that everyone complains about in those threads.

Dude is a total loser with a tiny **** and should be put in his place.

Also: FREE LIMON


enough with the loser moderation on this site
I would ban Shuffle, free Limon, and ask for a new screen name.

And never take anything too seriously around here.

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07-31-2021 , 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Busto
And get rid of a thread starters ability to cry to mods to ban users from posting in their thread. Don't make a thread in a public forum if can't accept the public posting in it. Its not your personal space.
Just to clarify, I think this applies to a grand total of one forum on 2+2 (PG&C, one of the most popular), and has only been utilized a handful of times. Maybe a couple handfuls. I think the benefit of a welcoming forum outweighs the freedom to post negativity in a couple of threads where the OPs would rather not have it. I guess you could say it was something of an experiment when we implemented the rule, and it seems to have worked quite well.
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08-01-2021 , 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Just to clarify, I think this applies to a grand total of one forum on 2+2 (PG&C, one of the most popular), and has only been utilized a handful of times. Maybe a couple handfuls. I think the benefit of a welcoming forum outweighs the freedom to post negativity in a couple of threads where the OPs would rather not have it. I guess you could say it was something of an experiment when we implemented the rule, and it seems to have worked quite well.
Allowing snowflakes to blacklist users on a public forum, just because they can't take criticism does not outweigh anything. Its unfair and also makes for a sterile environment.
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08-01-2021 , 04:03 AM
LOL @ "blacklist users".

Anyway, I'm not here to argue the point with you, just to make it clear what's happening and why. If the new ownership think that's important to change, then so be it.
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08-01-2021 , 11:48 AM
Just make the forum even greater!
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08-01-2021 , 12:30 PM
Gloria Swanson was most known for her role in "Sunset Boulevard" in 1950
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08-01-2021 , 12:51 PM
The posting wars is on!
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08-01-2021 , 01:00 PM
Sammy could knock you out with a single post, punk!
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08-01-2021 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by parisron
Why did they make the in thread titles not bold, different size now? Not good.
Not just that, it's plenty of stuff, makes it so much harder to read the forums
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