I seldom post in the politics forum because it's easily the most hostile and unreasonable one on this site, but a couple days ago I wanted to see what non-Reddit internet people were saying about the NZ terror attack. In a five-page thread I made a single post making the point that to prevent terrorist attacks, it's important to identify the ideology of the terrorist. Effort is misspent if it's combating an ideology the terrorist group in question doesn't even espouse. In this case, considering that the NZ terrorist was a white nationalist rather than a supremacist, railing against white supremacist ideology is off the mark. That's my take. I see the distinction between those ideologies; I understand that some people may not immediately see it. What I don't see is how making this point in a diplomatic way, on a politics forum, justifies a ban. It would be a miscarriage of modship for the post even to be deleted, let alone for me to get banned. The post attacked no one; it wasn't inflammatory. I'm in no way defending the shooter. How is this a ban-worthy offense?

Here is the post:
I'd like for an admin or a sane mod to credit back my infraction points, and honestly de-modding Mr. Wookie seems eminently reasonable. It would be nice to have a politics forum that was actually civil to post in.

Wookie had nothing to do with your banning, and anyone whose takeaway from the NZ attacks is, I'm not convinced he is a white supremacist, should keep that opinion to themselves if they don't wish to be ostracized from a non-white-supremacist community. The charitable interpretation that you may just be extremely ignorant and not sympathetic to white supremacy yourself is belied by your posting history that includes referring to Bovada as Jewvada. Hint: White nationalism = white supremacy

Nicely said gregorio.

I would just like to add:

Go **** yourself OP.

Get ****ed white supremacist

lmao what???

permaban OP for being stupid enough to start this thread

If the guy was a nationalist shouldn't he have killed some whites for the Maori.

I gave you a 1 day ban, not Wookie. Based upon your posting history as pointed out by other mods ie: “Jewvada” I clearly should have banned you for longer. There were no infraction points.

Finally a voice for the mass murdering white supremacists and what do we see - instantly shut down in a forum with nothing to offer but hatred for the nazis. I thought we were all civilized people looking for quality discourse on how we could distinguish between white supremacy and white nationalism with no ulterior motive whatsoever but alas, those darn libs ruin everything. I mean what's next, they'll be coming for my PewDiePie subscription? It's a slippery slope from here.

If Mr. Wookie had nothing to do with it, my apologies to Mr. Wookie. I maintain that whoever banned me for that post should be de-modded.

And it's completely unfair—and you know it—to characterize my takeaway from the NZ attacks as being that a distinction should be made between white nationalism and white supremacy. All the obvious takeaways about the NZ attack had already been made in the thread. If someone randomly walked up to me on the street and asked me my takeaway on the NZ shooter, that obviously wouldn't be my response. But in a thread that has already condemned the shooting in no uncertain terms, and moved on to further impacts it may have, and further into details and minutiae, then I feel a constructive comment on which ideology should be combated in this case is a reasonable thing to post. If I were to post in some long thread about Hitler where people were saying he used cocaine, I correct them to say it was probably meth, would you then denounce me for that being my "takeaway" about Hitler? I don't need to preface whatever I have to say about the NZ shooter or white nationalism with my condemnation, any more than I need to preface anything I say about Hitler with my condemnation of him. It's taken for granted. And you're just being as uncharitable as you can be to take my post to be a minimization of the NZ tragedy.

And then to call me a white-supremacy sympathizer is also completely unfair. I see a clear distinction between white supremacy and white nationalism. If you asked this NZ terrorist if he is a white supremacist, or if he thinks whites should rule over other races, or if whites are superior to other racists, my understanding is that he would say no. If you asked him if he is a white nationalist, he would say yes. That's a distinction that matters, and the inability to see it facilitates more attacks from right-wingers like him. That was the very point I was making. To say that I am a sympathizer of white supremacy, or white nationalism, or the shooter, because I understand the distinction he makes, is either cynical or mistaken on your part.

I was disciplined for calling Bovada Jewvada, and I have no issue with that discipline. Not that it excuses it, but I'm Jewish, and that's what my friends and I often called the site, especially when they bounced a check or canceled a winning bet. I realize 2+2 isn't on board with that kind of potentially offensive banter, so I stopped referring to it that way on here.

Thanks for clearing up any confusion.

How 'bout we all agree on an exile?

Yeah, no, this type of “white nationalism” minimizing is not allowed in the politics forum.

Regards,

—jman220

White nationalism and white supremacy are the same thing unless you're a white supremacist trying to brand your beliefs with a more palatable word so you can try to sell them to the public.

Just for clarity, there were infraction points given independently by wookie.

First they came for the white nationalists, and i said nothing

The collective #civility towards this guy really improves my forum experience

Ah, I missed that.

I want to now how calling someone a white supremacist instead of a white nationalists will cause more violence.

Since a perma ban is evidently no longer possible,

These are the only responses the OP should be getting itt.

Which is what exactly? A matter of winning an election or two?

You guys, fruit bats are adorable:

Yo, his beliefs are that its good to go out and murder a bunch of non-white people en masse. Whether you and he want to bull**** about whites ruling other people is pretty tangential to that. If you think its, like, important to explain that a guy who thinks it's cool to murder people doesn't akshully think white people should rule the people he would rather just murder, you can go **** yourself.

Wookie as usual putting it more eloquently than me.

Are you some kind of white-nationalist whisperer that can see their heart-of-hearts?

It's not.

How?

Oh, it’s pretty transparently the same “I’m sorry I hit you but maybe you should just not piss us off so much next time and it won’t happen again” argument that these kinds of people are always making.

No, it was not the same rhinoceros. The one that went by first had two horns on its nose, it was an Asiatic rhinoceros; this had only one, it was an African rhinoceros!