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Originally Posted by jman220
Yeah, no, this type of “white nationalism” minimizing is not allowed in the politics forum.
Regards,
—jman220
You insist on misinterpreting what I've said as minimizing white nationalism. I'm saying that the terrorist
is a white nationalist, and that to combat his brand of terror, one has to combat not only white supremacy, but white nationalism. How is it minimizing it if I'm saying that white nationalism in this case is the problem? I'm doing the opposite of what you're cynically interpreting me as doing.
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Originally Posted by gregorio
White nationalism and white supremacy are the same thing unless you're a white supremacist trying to brand your beliefs with a more palatable word so you can try to sell them to the public.
So you're saying that people like the NZ shooter shouldn't be able to retreat behind the "nationalist" label. You're saying that we should call out white nationalists. My banned post says exactly that—calling this guy a white supremacist allows him to deflect that label and counter that he is not a supremacist at all, but a nationalist. But if this terrorist attack is called a white nationalist attack, that 'brand' is no longer something people can retreat behind.
I think maybe some of you are starting to get it, although through a strangely dissonant and hostile path.
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Originally Posted by batair
I want to now how calling someone a white supremacist instead of a white nationalists will cause more violence.
Imagine trying to convince someone (possibly even yourself) to join a white terrorist organization. This person you're trying to convince has been adequately dissuaded of the idea of white supremacy through public discourse and seeing all the condemnation heaped on the NZ shooter. So you tell this potential recruit, "We aren't white supremacists at all. We're white nationalists. We're different—you can look up the definitions for yourself. You can look up the media's stories on the shooter—he's clearly labeled a white supremacist. That's not us. We're white nationalists."
If you call this terrorist what he is though, you deprive white nationalists of that maneuver.
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Originally Posted by whosnext
Thanks for clearing up any confusion.
How 'bout we all agree on an exile?
No. I'm not going to be bogarted into exile because you guys insist on running an uncivil forum where a post like mine results in a ban. I probably won't post there much, because of the pervading ethos of low-content hostility, but I won't consent to an exile.
I've been pretty restrained during this whole discussion, and treated you guys with a lot more respect than you've treated me—this on the heels of an unfair ban because of a post that you failed to understand, but that it seems evident you actually agree with. I've been told to go **** myself by multiple people in a 30-post thread, which I would presume is a personal attack and should be actionable with a ban, but I doubt anything will come of it. I just want you guys to recognize that you're supposed to be the adults in the room on this site, and you can't honestly say given the content of this thread that you're making these forums a better place.