http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=161

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I'm sorry but that is just incoherent and doesn't address the issue of whether posters should be allowed to swear at others or in the latest complaint whether they should be allowed to post material which is racist towards the Romany people (or any other people come to that).

I understand your feelings so I will some it up for you.

You didn't give a **** about this until it effected you , further more if you don't like it don't post there.

Romani people get really pissed when people call them Romany people. It's racism born of ignorance.

Pretty disgraceful.

Check out what the posters called them in the "John Terry is a wacist" thread. Apparently that kind of casual racism is OK to the mod looking at this thread whereas pointing out Cheryl Cole's background honestly attracts personal derision and a 7 day ban.

Either spelling is correct. The racism against them is in the thread.

Actually I do tend to report bad posts.

It is funny that you mention posting elsewhere because that is exactly what lots of poker players do when they see the behaviour which is allowed on here. This is undoubtedly costing Mason Malmuth a lot of money in book sales.

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Captions are on the wrong pictures IMO.

Bobo Fett

Try reading some of the other forums. The general consensus there is that there is too much flaming on 2 + 2. If there was a more mature posting environment here you would probably double the number of people posting and buying books from the store. Here is an exercise you could try. Post threads on other forums asking for opinions on 2 + 2 forums.

So are you suggesting we get rid of people who attack others, like you do?

And LOL @ "double the number".

I tend to refrain from making personal attacks even when provoked as you can see from this thread. I am suggesting that profane personal abuse and racism is removed regardless of the popularity or otherwise of the person reporting it. I am also suggesting that you try to find out why so many poker players who post elsewhere are staying away from 2 + 2.

That's interesting, since you have failed to reply to D.S.'s post where he pointed out that you made multiple personal attacks that led to the one you were complaining about, which makes you look rather hypocritical, don't you think?

As others have said, different forums here are modded in different ways. There are forums where very little, if anything, is tolerated in the way of personal attacks. And a number of posters complain about this. And there are other forums where almost anything goes. And a number of posters complain about this. If you think there's one optimal way to run forums that will please everyone, you're kidding yourself.

There's something for every taste, so I don't understand why you insist on posting in forums where you obviously don't care for the moderating/posting style. Considering we get very little complaints about SE modding, I'd suggest that the vast majority of people who post there are happy with the way things are run. Why would we want to make a change to the moderation of a forum where this is the case?

AFAIK, there is no other English-speaking poker forum that has anywhere near the traffic of 2+2. Not even close. That doesn't mean there aren't other good poker forums out there, nor that we should assume we will always be #1 no matter what we do. But I think it does mean that we aren't going that far wrong. Do we make mistakes? Of course. But I don't think we're quite ready to remake one of the busiest forums on 2+2 just because you don't like the way it's run.

It would if it were true. As you can see from this thread I tend to post in a moderate style.

I know that 2 + 2 has a reputation which puts off lots of posters who would otherwise post on here. Profane abuse directed at others should never be allowed and nor should racism.

I am interested in football. I would like to discuss it in a light-hearted way instead of being bullied by the clique that appear to be allowed to get away with almost anything. I have no problems in the cricket thread which appears to be run better. As it stands the mod and the posters appear to be unaccountable.

Poker Strategy is a far more popular site than 2 + 2 these days (Alexa 2866 according to Pokerscout, 2 + 2 is shown as 5656) despite the fact that they started later. If you believe that the way these forums are run does not deter lots of poker players from posting on here and finding alternatives then I think you are mistaken. Try asking around the other forums. Anyway I am not asking for massive changes . All I am asking for consistency in the moderation of the football thread.

So D.S. made up those quotes?

I'm not talking about your behaviour in this thread, I'm talking about the very specific posts that D.S. quoted, which you have failed to address time and again.

The only evidence I've seen in this thread that had anything to do with racism were quotes from you, throwing the racist tag at others.

First of all, a little chuckle at Alexa rankings. But I won't dispute that PokerStrategy is a very large forum, and they may have more traffic than us. We're pretty familiar with them, seeing as they pay to advertise here. That's the reason I very specifically said English-speaking - much of their traffic is from foreign language posters.

Perhaps you need to reread my post. I've never suggested that there aren't poker players who don't post here because they don't like it. As a matter of fact, I know that there are. You'll never please everyone, but we can always look to improve. However, I'm far from convinced that changing the moderation of a forum, or even a single thread, to what suits you will do anything to improve the forums. For all I know, it would make things worse. In fact, given the lack of support you've had from other oppressed SE posters, I'm inclined to lean in that direction.

I thought DS was actually David Sklansky when I first read it so obviously I thought it would be ill-advised to respond. DS's post is completely unreasonable

Hoopie

"It's probably a better thing to do than listen to Cwocwoc. Or the Panorama "documentary".

DS

"Leads to this intelligent and considered response where because he disagrees with you he's a racism apologist. An intelligent and well thought out post"

It is neither "intelligent nor "well thought out". Hoopie is telling everyone to ignore all the evidence of anti-Semitism and racism shown in the documentary mentioned. My response was maybe too sharp but not without efficacy.

Cwocwoc

"Your abuse is typical of a certain strain of football fan."

DS

Boosh. "Hoopie you're a racist"

This is specious from DS. I have not called Hoopie a racist at all I am just remarking that his intemperate rant is not untypical of some football fans.

DS

"The mods seem to have forgot to infract you twice as well for your personal attacks."


Except that there aren't any.

DS

"And then we get that post calling you a spascwoc and it's incredibly understandable"

Really ? That's offensive to people suffering from Downs' syndrome apart from anything else.


You have to go back to the source thread "John Terry is wacist" for that. I have reported the posts so you should have a record. Coincidentally Hoopie wrote one of those posts !



I have only asked for a basic minimum standard which is against your written House Rules anyway but does not seem to be applied consistently particularly in the football thread. I have also given you feedback about what people on other forums have said about 2 + 2.

Anyway it looks like the posts I complained about, which do look pretty racist. will remain. I am done with this thread.

One can only hope