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Bobo, all due respect, but

**** that noise. There are words I grew up with that I understood to mean different things that I no longer use in those ways because if what said words mean now to other people.

This is essentially the “its nbd when grandma still calls black people slaves, she’s from a different time!” argument. It’s not rocket surgery to learn a new meaning for a word, it’s quite possibly the simplest thing I could imagine doing.

One of my biggest pet peeves is people who grew up being taught not to use racial slurs, who chastise older folk that grew up being taught it was okay to use those slurs and still do, that pat themselves on the back for not using those specific slurs but then ball when someone tries to educate them on how something else is now considered offensive. Language doesn’t stop with you. You are no different than the old person in this example, refusing to learn and stop being offensive. (You generally, not you specifically bobo)

A strange counterargument from someone who has no problem using a word that refers to people with extreme mental ******ation.

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12-12-2017 , 10:31 AM

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master3004

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Holy **** this thread took a turn into "there's no problem with blackface, guize!" Territory? Really?

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12-12-2017 , 11:08 AM

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confirmedtroll

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Based on the OP, it was actually quite predictable

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12-12-2017 , 11:09 AM

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Loki

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Originally Posted by soah

A strange counterargument from someone who has no problem using a word that refers to people with extreme mental ******ation.

1. Your post would make more sense if I actually used that word in the post you were quoting.

2. You have your logic backwards.

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12-12-2017 , 12:56 PM

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H0RUS

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

I think the bolded is important, though, to expect the issue to be obvious to others.

The simplest example I can think of right now of someone a person might dress up as to satire them would be Donald Trump. Someone who isn't white wearing makeup and a wig and caricaturing Trump isn't likely to strike many as racially offensive.

At the same time, I have to admit if I flip that around and imagine that there was a black president that is as caricaturable (making up words!) as Trump, a white man wearing the makeup and wig doesn't seem right. Is it because, as gregorio said, "Cultures that your culture have historically colonized/oppressed aren't costumes for your amusement."? Is it because of minstrelsy? Is it because I can't imagine anyone of any race being as absurd as Trump? I'm not sure. But I find it interesting.

Regardless, I don't think it's unreasonable that someone who hasn't seen as much racial divisiveness in their country/culture might not immediately see the issue with "imitating another race down to painting your skin" if it's not being done for reasons of parodying said race.

I agree. How you carry yourself determines alot. Any race mocking trump wont be seen as a racial thing as donald trump has alot of issues. It'd be different if someone mocked a stand up guy, that'd be pure obvious hate. What people choose to emphasize in their message is what should be observed. For instance if someone dresses up as trump to mock his mannerisms and decision making its not a racial thing. If someone dresses up as obama and puts the costumes emphasis on his african facial features then it becomes racial.

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Originally Posted by ChrisV

I think this is again confusion about where the problem lies. The problem with Southern minstrel shows was not blackface per se, it was that they were designed to belittle and denigrate black people. Some minstrel shows featured real black people, were those just fine and dandy?.

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Originally Posted by H0RUS

Thats like saying "the problem with nazis isnt the swastika per se"

Its simple association is enough to warrant removal from anyones day to day activities.

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Originally Posted by ChrisV

May not have been the best example?

Some cultures use the swastika, are those just fine and dandy? That's what i was trying to say. The only difference here is the swastika, unlike blackface, wasnt created out of hate.

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12-12-2017 , 03:30 PM

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H0RUS

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Who's trying to bait me into breaking the rules and getting banned?

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

As a result, a number of years ago we cracked down on this and disallowed anyone from responding to poster's RB requests, even by PM.

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12-12-2017 , 04:37 PM

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kerowo

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Humble brag noted, just report the damn PM

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12-12-2017 , 04:43 PM

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H0RUS

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The hate is real and has to be exposed.

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12-12-2017 , 04:56 PM

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Lattimer

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Originally Posted by kerowo

Humble brag noted, just report the damn PM

To be fair, you can't report PMs from the browser, only the app.

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12-12-2017 , 05:13 PM

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Bobo Fett

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Originally Posted by Loki

You misunderstand me; I probably could have been clearer with my post.

I'm not talking about why any one person would be unable to make the change. What I'm saying is that a societal change is more difficult when the meaning of the word has evolved. It's actually the opposite of your last paragraph - in this case, the use of the word has changed from a very specific slur to a broader meaning that for most people, no longer has the connotation it once did. That doesn't mean we shouldn't make an effort to stop using it; I'm just pointing out that it won't be as obvious to people that there's a problem as there should be with blackface, for example.

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Originally Posted by H0RUS

The hate is real and has to be exposed.

Feel free to forward me the PM.