Mods and admins can see deleted posts in any forum(s) where they have moderating privileges.

Well we will just see about that then.....

Can we also talk about the complete butchering they've done to the Images for Atheists thread that I started?

I made the thread very clearly for atheist images. I'm also not even clear on why madnak posted in front of my OP after I created the thread stating thread rules that nobody had discussed or agreed upon, certainly I didn't and I was the OP for crying out loud. At the time it seemed to be a facile thread steal so that it would seem that he would receive credit for thread creation unless you read the fine print in the OP, but honestly I was not petty enough to care at the time so I didn't say anything, but now that is speaking volumes. Years later now madnak has claimed there was some pow wow where everyone discussed where the thread should go and it was determined that it should be open to theist images (IE troll posts) as well. Funny, I have been one of the most active members in RGT during that time and I missed that. Nobody even thought to PM me before completely changing the scope and title of the thread, which by the way, is the most successful thread in RGT by a long shot.

It's now supposedly a thread for any "RGT Images" after receiving over 500,000 views as an atheist image thread. How was this necessary? And aren't you supposed to respect the tone of the OP and stay on topic (per RGT rules) instead of using your moderator powers to manipulate them?

It's not even just the deleting of posts for bad reasons that's a problem anymore; it's filtered into nearly every other decision the moderators make. For example, they came up with a rule that you can't bump a thread asking someone to respond because one of those brilliant moderators avoided so many conversations the second he was backed into a corner that now even the rules of RGT have been made to suit the idiocy of it's moderators.

Strange, historically Christians have been very open to other beliefs

Do you have a point

Oh, you want a point..... hmmmmm.... ok, how about this...

As an atheist you frequent Religion, God and Theology and are surprised that the Christian mods **** with you. Why would this in any way surprise you?

Surely you know by now that no matter what you say you are not going to change a believer into an atheist. Just let it go.

Who said I was surprised?

Interesting comment since recently the most competent theistic poster in RGT recently changed teams citing the posts of atheists as reasons why, and there are countless other stories of believers turning into atheists when pressed intellectually if you are paying any attention at all.

ok, so if you expected it... why does it bother you?

really, so nothing in that persons life outside the internet had anything to do with that?

Because it's ruining the forum. Also, Jibninjas wasn't a moderator when I first started going to RGT. So I actually didn't expect to be ****ed with then, and I wasn't.

I didn't say that. I merely noted that he himself cited the posts of atheists as reasons why and others in the past have as well.

Seriously, lobby for an atheist forum or something, or get a new hobby. Life is way too short.

I'm fairly confident I've gotten more out of RGT than you are getting out of this.

do you have a point?

I think a big problem seems to be that those who have had their posts deleted can't really judge whether it was deleted for 'good reasons' or not. Being the saintly sort, I've never had a post deleted, however if one were I would expect some kind of PM or moderator-post in the thread (even if terse) just to tell me why. Maybe that's too much effort - I have no idea how much work is involved in modding, but given it's an ongoing issue at least the potentially controversial deletions could adopt this practise.

Another problem has also seemed to me to be the implicit assumption of some kind of democratic right. I think it's much better to assume a forum is a dictatorship - you either like it or you don't but attempts to change it should be focussed on persuading the moderators, imo, rather than in public demands for 'a fair go'.

It's a nice thought but not likely. Both madnak and Jibninjas have been unashamedly tyrannical. (Does everyone remember the time they asked for everyone's opinion, everyone told them to mod less and then they started modding more?)

Their egos are just too big for something like that.

Holy lord you aren't a mod are you?

Everything Rize said is spot on. And I was pretty sure other people's posts were being whitewashed but didn't have evidence. So looks like it is Hopey, Rize, me and possibly others?

And if anarchy is an OK topic in the politics forum then atheism should be fine in a religion forum. And both are fine and no one wants an anarchy or an atheist forum. We just want the standard of modding to be way different. Namely, **** off and let us make hay.

Jib could not be more disingenuous if he tried. He is too emotionally invested in the content of his forum to moderate it properly. He should be turned from green to black.

lol no, I just made and deleted a post for Bobo to see if he could retrieve it

I don't see atheism belonging in RGT myself, and I don't bother trying to "convert" anyone.

I do

Uhhh, that isn't the kind of deleting we are talking about.

No one cares if you see it belonging there. It clearly does. Philosophy of religion includes a wide range of topics including irreligious ones. And that is not the topic of this thread.

No part of this conversation or thread has anything to do with converting people. If you have something to add re: Jibninjas please do so, otherwise get lost, or go start a thread in RGT about how you think all atheists should be banished. You would get a lot of mod support I bet.

u mad?

lol no. Just pointing out that you are worthless to the thread and your opinions are bad or even objectively false. Which you in turn confirmed by changing the subject. gg.

In many forums, it would be a lot of work.

I assume that this is sarcasm. Otherwise, it makes no sense at all.

As for atheism - I used to believe in that many, many, years ago. Then came to realize that it is as much of a belief system as any theistic beliefs are. Thus, I've been agnostic ever since. (Not in the old, Christian, Agnostic sense - but in the modern, I-don't-know-if-god(s)-exist one.)

Lee

Yeah I kinda suspected it would be after I posted it. I guess it's up to those who have their posts deleted to begin the conversation then.

You have to understand that RGT was started to get all religious discussions removed from SMP. The atheists in RGT aren't exactly invading a religious space - RGT only exists because theists had been posting a lot in a place that wasn't really suited for it. A lot of the atheists who would engage with them in SMP followed them over to RGT.

As for OP, well:

He doesn't add a lot to the forum. Probably the most equitable solution is to shave his infraction points and exile him from RGT. Just an opinion.

This is one of the top 8 dumbest things I've ever read on this site. Your other posts in this thread aren't that much better.

Atheism is obviously a meaningful topic in any forum that discusses religion and the mods should embrace that discussion.