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Question about RGT overlording/ Jibninjas bitch thread [July 2011] Question about RGT overlording/ Jibninjas bitch thread [July 2011]

07-24-2011 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
Congratulations for coming up with an extreme example!
In that case of "50+ posts deleted" would it be a massive PITA to make a single post in the thread stating:
50+ posts have been deleted. That may include your post. Don't do it again.
How about the more common case where one post is deleted?
If a mod deletes one post, which scenario is more beneficial to the forum?
[ ] Post disappears. Poster is notified.
[ ] Post disappears. Poster is not notified that anything was inappropriate.
Did you not understand his first two replies? Your suggestion is horrible and wrong.
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07-24-2011 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
Did you not understand his first two replies? Your suggestion is horrible and wrong.
cute

In RGT that would be "Your conclusions are fallacious and heretical".
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07-25-2011 , 12:16 AM
Anyone who has their post deleted knows that it contained something inappropriate - or it wouldn't have been deleted, no? If they're not sure what was inappropriate, they can PM the mod.
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07-25-2011 , 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I thought my answer was pretty clear - yes, of course it would. There are sometimes threads where you take out some derailment, OT posts, spam and replies to it, etc., that involves many posts at one time. In NVG, there are threads where you'll see 50+ posts deleted. It would be a massive PITA, and for very, very little gain.

And I still don't know why a supermod needs a copy.
Blah. Just admit you love being dicks.
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07-25-2011 , 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
Congratulations for coming up with an extreme example!
In that case of "50+ posts deleted" would it be a massive PITA to make a single post in the thread stating:
50+ posts have been deleted. That may include your post. Don't do it again.
How about the more common case where one post is deleted?
If a mod deletes one post, which scenario is more beneficial to the forum?
[ ] Post disappears. Poster is notified.
[ ] Post disappears. Poster is not notified that anything was inappropriate.
I don't know what else to tell you; it seems the only way you would be convinced is if I sat you down next to me and showed you how it all works. I've been doing this for a few years, and I can promise you it would be a huge PITA to send a PM every time we deleted a post, and for very little benefit. And again, where does the supermod fit into this?

I think I understand your overall point here - I'm sure there are times when a post is deleted and the poster is genuinely at a loss as to why that is, and I'm sure that's frustrating. But the vast majority of the time, it should be quite apparent, and a good number of those times the poster does get a PM with their infraction. Unfortunately, your solution is pretty much unworkable.

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Originally Posted by Moneylover
Blah. Just admit you love being dicks.
I fail to see how I'm being a dick or what this has to do with anything I've said to VP$IP.

Last edited by Bobo Fett; 07-25-2011 at 03:25 AM.
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07-25-2011 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

I think I understand your overall point here - I'm sure there are times when a post is deleted and the poster is genuinely at a loss as to why that is, and I'm sure that's frustrating.
Yes. This is the RGT/Jibninja thread, not NVG.

Last edited by VP$IP; 07-25-2011 at 10:50 AM. Reason: alphabet soup
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07-25-2011 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
Yes. This is the RGT/Jibninja thread, not NVG.
And keep in mind that RGT gets *maybe* 10% of the traffic that NVG does, so it's not really fair to compare the workload of NVG mods to that of RGT's mods.

At the very least, if Jib had to PM posters whose posts he had deleted, it might make him think twice about playing so fast and loose with the delete button.
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07-25-2011 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
Anyone who has their post deleted knows that it contained something inappropriate - or it wouldn't have been deleted, no?
Untrue.
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07-25-2011 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
Congratulations for coming up with an extreme example!
In that case of "50+ posts deleted" would it be a massive PITA to make a single post in the thread stating:
50+ posts have been deleted. That may include your post. Don't do it again.
How about the more common case where one post is deleted?
If a mod deletes one post, which scenario is more beneficial to the forum?
[ ] Post disappears. Poster is notified.
[ ] Post disappears. Poster is not notified that anything was inappropriate.
I like where your head is at here - I honestly do - but it's just way too much work to engage someone about every post deletion. Because what will happen a decent percentage of the time is the person will get butthurt and will argue about it which could lead to a rather lengthy exchange involving the deletion of a single post. Which let's face it, unless it's an epic post or an often-bumped thread, once a few days or a bunch of newer posts happen it's all but buried on the internet forever.

(Although one comic aspect of implementation of your rule would be Dids, because not only does he post about how he hates PMs and can't be bothered with them, but he also deletes posts by the hundreds, so he would literally be PMing all day and night or would be forced to delete less. Which is basically a win either way.)

Also, supermods don't have jurisdiction or whatever over a regular mod, their purpose is to delete necessary things out of forum as needed. No point in getting them involved.
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07-25-2011 , 02:40 PM
☒ Thy will be done, in RGT as it is in NVG.
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07-25-2011 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
Untrue.
Mods are the ground level arbiters of what is and isn't appropriate. So, true.
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07-25-2011 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
Mods are the ground level arbiters of what is and isn't appropriate. So, true.
I'm sure he meant that those of us who have had posts deleted don't always know what it is about them that made them inappropriate.
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07-25-2011 , 03:30 PM
Which is covered by the sentence following the one he quoted.
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07-25-2011 , 04:24 PM
Tuq said it better than me. And for the comments about this being about RGT, not NVG, I understood the proposal being for the forums as a whole, not RGT alone. If you want that for RGT, now you're talking about the admins imposing a rule on RGT mods, so they're the ones you'd need to talk to, and I wish you good luck with that. You'll need it.
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07-25-2011 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
Mods are the ground level arbiters of what is and isn't appropriate. So, true.
If a loony moderator creates a rule against capital letters I'm not going to follow it and I think it would be incredibly silly to say that it would be okay that all my posts get deleted because an intellectual peon deemed them "inappropriate" in that regard.
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07-25-2011 , 04:47 PM
If schmiff. Don't like it, you know where the door is.
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07-25-2011 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
If schmiff. Don't like it, you know where the door is.
Yeah thanks I also know where the forum is to try to get bad rules changed. But since Mat unexpectedly stopped listening to people's complaints after having only the very first one addressed, I admit the door looks like the best option now.
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07-25-2011 , 07:43 PM
The same pattern do oft repeat itself:

1. Troll do bad.

2. Mod whack troll 2 or 3 times with yardstick.

3. Troll run to start ATF bitch thread.
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07-25-2011 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Concerto
The same pattern do oft repeat itself:

1. Troll do bad.

2. Mod whack troll 2 or 3 times with yardstick.

3. Troll run to start ATF bitch thread.
[ ] people having serious disagreements with Jib's religious views and moderating are necessarily trolls
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07-25-2011 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
[ ] people having serious disagreements with Jib's religious views and moderating are necessarily trolls
[ ] post is a relevant reply to the post it quotes
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07-25-2011 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Concerto
[x] post is a relevant reply to the post it quotes
.
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07-26-2011 , 12:52 AM
hi bobo,

Please cc me on all these deleted post PMs!
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07-26-2011 , 02:49 AM
That might make more sense than CCing supermods.
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07-27-2011 , 02:14 AM
If the CCs included all the pornography posts being deleted, that could be a new revenue stream for 2p2.
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07-27-2011 , 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
Which as I've pointed out is a serious problem in RGT.

If Charles Manson or Jim Jones posted here during their times, would it be against the rules and an infractable offense to describe one or both of them as cult leaders? That's not an insult; it's a simple description of reality.

This is also what goes on with Jibninjas. People want to show him the truth, and sometimes to do so it needs to be explained how he is avoiding it. Many times he is practicing avoidance. Well what do you know, they actually put in the RGT rules that you can't ask or remind someone to answer something because Jibninjas had been avoiding tough questions and conversations so often that there was an epidemic.

And then guess what happens next? Jib creates a new thread, clamoring for high content. And then everyone explains to him again how he has historically avoided high content, and then those people in turn have their posts deleted or are told that they are "harassing" Jibninjas.

Being "too aggressive" is way, way too vague and the rules in this forum have gone so far off the deep end to protect an intellectually dishonest mod it would be surprising to me if anyone who is truly involved with 2+2 ever comes here or has any idea that this stuff goes on. Apparently pointing out to someone who is clamoring for high content that they have historically avoided high content is "too aggressive" and "harassment" and good enough reason to ban a person.

This forum has essentially outlawed people who actually live in reality.
Awesome.

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Is there a way that a mod could lose modding powers via public sentiment?

I.e. perhaps there could be a public poll thread, and if a certain percentage of poasters, say 66%, vote the mod could be unmodded?
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