Not really. He said that he needed more time to research the statements that OP had made. He wasn't really conceding anything other than that OP had momentarily stumped him. He was still leaving open the possibility that he might return at some point with refutations to the points that OP had made.

For 95% of their posts, there'd be no repercussions. The 5% would get them infracted/banned for their tone.

That being said, without the following:

1) A mod like Jib, who is perceived to lock threads / infract posters / delete posts when he's losing an argument
2) Posters like Splendour spewing their tilt-worthy nonsense without getting banned by said mod
3) A topic as inflammatory as religion

Would those 5% of ban-worthy posts be generated in other forums by the posters that Jib has a problem with?

I used to bug NR back in the old pre-RGT days but it was pointless. Still is. Also he claimed he cancelled his internet unlike Jib who "doesn't have time." (Which I question given the amount of time spent lurking/overlording.) And as Hopey pointed out NR could not infract me no matter how many times I called him intellectually dishonest.

And very well said Hopey re: the 5% and all of this.

He conceded he need more time. And then people flung poo.

I dont think so. Id love to see them follow around Rapini or killa or ElliotR in the way the follow around Jib. In some of those forums just commenting about modding gets you banned. Especially when the complainants go form thread to thread to thread.


He dosnt do that to posters he loses arguments with. He does that when the poo starts flinging and things go form the argument to personal.

She gets her posts deleted a lot afaik. But there are rarely banns in RGT. I see that as a good thing.

I dont think we have the same perception of their posts.


Either way with this ^^^, it doesnt look like much is happening so im going to get out of the poo.

regarding the calling a spade a spade. i agree and have to relate a personal story.

i just went out out buy a calzone and i told my wife to put a disc in the dvd player. when i came home she had not yet done so. so i told her she was a useless idiot. as one might expect she was very happy that i didn't try to sugarcoat anything and agreed we should probably get a divorce.

Mat, that just seems ridiculous to me.

regarding the calling a spade a spade. i agree and have to relate a personal story.

i just went out buy a calzone and i told my wife to put a disc in the dvd player. when i came home i caught her doing satanic rituals and she explained to me this was the new life she had chosen for herself. so i told her good job, and that it was all backed up with good science and was a great life decision. as one might expect she was very happy that i didn't actually explain the truth to her that those rituals are bull**** because after all, it might have hurt her feelings to come in contact with some semblance of reality.

lol

Yes, honesty has limits. Think about how often we say: "No problem, doesn't matter", when we really feel like it does.

Coddling people has limits. Think about how often we say: "You're hearing voices in your head, you need a psychiatric evaluation," instead of "You're hearing voices in your head. That is beautiful and everyone should respect and celebrate that."

are you saying that you have complete and utter contempt for people who believe in god, jesus, satan, the bible, etc?

if so, then you shouldn't be participating in a forum where people with a variety of viewpoints feel like discussing religion in a reasonably intelligent and CIVIL manner.

I have contempt for the belief(s) they sometimes hold. I don't have contempt for the person, regardless of what people will have you believe ITT. For example, I think Jib is a bad poster and moderator, but I'm also pretty sure he's a good family man/father. Overall, that's pretty good. But while he and I are on the topic of RGT he might perceive that I "hate" him, as it seems he has.

seriously, the people who want to use tough love when teaching others about poker or sports or the stock market or weight lifting. they get a pass. it's a form of payment.

i have no idea why people want to participate in a forum devoted to religion, but they don't need to be subjected to abuse regardless of their beliefs.

i consider this case closed. people who have real issues with the moderation in rgt can contact jib and i assure you he will consider your viewpoint.

What kind of calzone?

peperoni and onion. the movie was barney's version. and the wife is being given a second chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVXqJ...eature=related

ewww onions

You created some macaroni art with photoshop and posted it in that thread that ridiculed specific posters instead of ideologies. Even more egregious you protrayed poster saying things they never said. It would have been one thing to use actual quotes of posters but you just made stuff up about posters you don't like. Jib took your childish work off the refriderator and ever since then you've been throwing tantrums about it. Its time to grow up.

Here is the photo in question that I am referring too. Anyone think it was inappropriate for Jib to delete this photo?



Further you created that images thread not as an instrument of meaningful discussion but rather as a tool to ridicule religion and people who hold religious beliefs. If I went into the politics forum and created a thread which ridiculed gays and gay rights I would be banned in an instant(I wouldn't do that btw).

If there is one complaint I have against Jib is that he had tried to salvage that thread rather than just delete that abortion entirely.

A+ work. Thanks for re-posting it. I missed it the first time.

It is kinda cute isn't it. Its too bad Rize had to ruin it by outright making stuff up.

Its still tucked away in the RGT forum. Thats where I found it....Jib didn't delete them all...just the one in the images thread meant to ridicule religion and people who hold religious beliefs.

So, in other words, no. Otherwise I wouldn't be "getting" anything for it.

I like how you can read my mind?

Where did I ever suggest that answering OrP's question would be easy? Jib started the thread, "itt your force me to be a deist." He's challenging the forum to completely change his worldview. The fact that you wouldn't assume up front that it would take quite a bit of work on Jib's end is quite confusing.

OrP would no doubt be glad to assist Jib in anyway possible, which would definitely help him refine his research and make it manageable (especially over the course of a year).

This is completely false. Who are you to tell me what my motives were?

Jib challenged the forum to force him to be a deist. I wanted to see the thread run its course, which isn't possible if Jib doesn't continue. That was my motive for bumping it.

For one, because NotReady is what I'd consider a lost cause. He's older and he's set in his ways much more so than I think Jib is.

Also, NotReady doesn't drop anywhere near as many conversations with virtually no notice whatsoever like Jib has had a tendency to do.

No, no, no.

If someone "flings poo", aka trolls someone, a mod should handle it by either giving a warning, or handing out infraction points after deleting said troll post.

If RGT mods locked every thread where trolling takes place there wouldn't be many threads left, especially if they're using Jib's extremely loose definition of trolling.

If Jib wants he can permenately exile from RGT right now. ElliotR never gave me any infraction points but I can't post in politics because I whine about his modding too much. In politics if the mods don't like you....you don't get infraction points or any type of escalation process. You just go away entirely.

I sympathize with you because it is tough to make your case when your posts are deleted. However one solution that I used to overcome that in my threads critical of Elliotr is google cache. Neither Jib not Elliotr can't delete that.

I think Jib does an excellent job overall modding in that forum. I don't know if Jib made any mistakes in your case as I really didn't pay attention to those threads and you haven't really provided anything specific.

The case is closed now so I guess it doesn't really matter.

Three posts warranted a lock out of 500+ posts? Setting aside the issue of whether or not light jabs should be considered flinging poo, you can't think of any other way this could be handled?

I'd appreciate it if you could stop using the present tense for this stuff. I have probably made one or two posts directed at Jib in the past year. And even back in the day, this portrayal of us "following him around" is hilarious. When you post in RGT every day you're going to run into the same people.

And when you straight up abandon threads (not even talking about the deist thread) you should expect some flak for it. You make is sound like I'd find every post he makes and say stuff like, "omg you idiot mod! what a horrible mod you are lol!"

When in reality, it was stuff like, "careful replying to Jib on this one, he just abandoned another thread last week. you'll prolly get thirty posts in and it will all be a waste because he'll just jump ship when the going gets tough."

What's wrong with that?

A mod should send a pm to the offender...quote the offending text....and explain why it violated a rule/warranted an infraction and or post deletion. Only then will the offender understand why he got infracted or have the means to challenge it.

What do other people think about this?

It sounds very reasonable to me. One problem is that madnak isn't around very much, which leads to his next point...

I don't care if its me, or some other non-theist, but I think things should be evened out just like they were when Jib was made mod. When madnak posted that thread back in the day to discuss bringing on a theist mod, the reasoning was that he had received many complaints from theists about how they don't feel its fair to only have an atheist mod.

So Jib was nominated and here we are. Well, now madnak rarely posts in RGT and the situation is sort of flipped.

Perfect.

This might be the first time you and I agree on something.

World ending in 3....2....1....