Unfortunately this would require a quite a bit of work. And considering that pretty much all of the posts that are deleted that I do not give a reason for should be wildly obvious why they were deleted, I don't know if this would help the situation. This is shown ITT with tpir having no clue why he would get infracted for the posts that he made.

To address this first it needs to be made aware that the bump of the thread was 2 months after the thread had died. So I did not just randomly lock the thread. The reason that it was locked was the invitable bitch fest that it was going to turn into from posters like loK and rize (possibly others) about what terrible person that I am and how stupid I am etc. There is a long history of this happening in RGT by these posters. I wasn't going to continue with that thread at that time, and the last thing that RGT needed was yet another thread where these guys bitched about.

As to loK stating that this action of mine caused animosity, well that is not really true. I will get into this later, but people like loK and rize and Hopey have a long history of hating me and this was way before I became a Mod. I will get more into this later thought.

Hopefully my above explanation cleared things up a bit. I did not lock it out of the blue, it was bumped 2 months after it had died off, and if it were other posters how had genuine questions for me or interest in whether or not I had made progress I would never locked the thread. It was only because it was the posters that were involved had a long history of derailing threads to complain about me. And if I remember correctly this was not an out of no where bump, but that there was another thread at the time where they were ganging up on me to bitch about what a terrible person I am for not talking to them (or whatever).

All of this can be confirmed by Madnak.

I don't have any specific rules about this. If the OP asks to have their thread locked and it has degraded so bad beyond any sort of rational discussion but is mostly insults then I will lock the thread. If there is still good conversation going on I will not.

I am more that willing to take constructive criticism about my modding. In fact the regulars of RGT can tell you that I have changed the rules and my modding style multiple times based on what I felt the majority of the Regs wanted. Most recently was the creation of HC threads and to have a very light style of modding for the rest of the forum in order to try and please more people and compromise.

But I think that you will see that for some (loK, tpir, rize, hopey etc) it has nothing to do with my modding style, but the fact that they don't like me as a person.

The reason that rule exists is because there are certain people who when are not responded to will quickly bump their own posts and then there is a huge derail about how the poster doesn't respond and avoiding the question (usually this is joined in by 2-3 other posters some of which had no posts in the thread previously but joined only to complain).

As far as whether this is to only suit me, no. But of course it affects me as I am one of the most consistent theist posters of the forum. Rize and loK will often pull this in a thread even though I have told them on multiple occasions that I will not engage in a discussion with them as I do not feel that it is fruitful. So they know good and well why I don't respond to their posts.

The rule as is with all of the rules, is directed at the most common ways that threads are derailed.

Me personally, I get pm's plenty with people kindly asking me to respond to a post that I have over looked or had not gotten to. Not in one instance (that I can remember) have I have not obliged and went straight in and addressed their posts.

I am sorry that you felt this way Justin, but hopefully this post as helped to clear up my reasoning.

You are right that I am most often the target of this, but the fact remains that it is a disruption of the forum. And I do not think that because I am a mod that I should be allowed to be harassed constantly. Not to mention that this harassment was occurring long before I became a Mod.

Doing that is wrong, but not antagonizing. How you did it is antagonizing. "If you had any idea ..."

Stop making bad assumptions.



Whoooohoooo for vigilantism.

Though i'd appreciate it if you stuck with one thing. You seem to be arguing that you aren't being antagonistic, but then argue 'but he did it first!"

I don't think it's that much of a distraction, especially given the general nature of RGT chatter.

I think "jibninjas? Do you have any response to this?" is fine (and I'm sure I've made several posts like that over the years without any insult taken).

"jibninjas is ignoring this. Typical response because he's got no intellectual honesty, the moronic *******" is the kind of thing that should be deleted, IMO.

Ok, I have gone through every post ITT and believe that I have answered all of the issues questions, at least to some degree.

Now I want to changes pace a little. The fact of the matter is that the posters here that are complaining about me have a very long history of not liking me. Hopey, Rize, and lok have never liked me and their hostility towards me existed way way before I ever became a Mod. So for them to say their issue with me is my modding is a little disingenuous. I don't really remember tpir from the early days, so I don't remember his demeanor towards me before I became a Mod. This can be more than backed up by the Regs and Madnak.

These posters (including tpir) are also the most abusive posters in the forum. Not just towards me, so the fact that their posts are deleted more than others is a reflection on them as much as it is on me. Regs (atheists mind you) like Batiar, Arouet, AIF, ILP, Our House, Bunny, and kurto, just to name a few, have probably never had one of their posts deleted by me. And the reason is not that they agree with me, as we agree on very little about the subject.

Rizeagainst, who is one of the biggest advocates of this thread and getting me demodded, had a long history of being abusive in RGT and SMP as well as in other forums. He as been infracted and had admin notes about his behavior by half a dozen different Mods in multiple forums (Including one of our Oranges!)

So it would be my contention that none of this has to do with my modding, but that certain posters don't like me and would like me to allow them to be abusive towards others.

So in closing, I would say that my biggest mistake as a Mod has been to be too easy on these posters throughout the years and allowing this to go on as long as it has. Their posting history speaks for itself. I don't think there there is another forum on 2+2 that would not have banned these posters long ago.

I completely agree with the bolded, and I have a long history of responding to these types of posts. Let me ask you, if it was OrP that bumped the thread or even you, do you believe that I would have locked the thread? Have I ever reacted that way to one of your posts or someone like OrP posts?

Hopey, Rize, and lok, it appears you have sealed your fate for making a thread criticizing his moding skills.

Untrue.

For the record, I didn't create the thread, nor encourage its creation in any way. I've been around long enough to realize that creating such a thread in ATF is at best a waste of time, and at worst will result in getting yourself banned.

This is the only post I made in this thread about the Jibby's modding:

And Jib confirmed the last sentence of my post with his not-so-subtle threat to start treating me more severely were I to show my face in RGT again.

Also, this whole post (in regards to me) is a load of crap. At worst, I'm a too sarcastic when I reply to posters that I disagree with. I wouldn't characterize my posts as being abusive (though maybe those with a very thin skin would disagree).

Jib just appears to have a grudge against me because he thinks that I don't like him. In reality, my feelings towards Jib as a person are completely neutral. I never complained until now about his itchy trigger finger when it came to deleting my posts -- and my post in this thread about my post deletions wasn't even really a complaint, it was more of an observation as to what has been going on.

You're not following. I said after i bumped it, had he said, "still looking into this guys, but thanks for the interest" or whatever there is no other reasonable response besides, "ok."

Also, I've been posting in multiple forums on 2+2 for the last 7+ years, and the RGT mods are the only mods who have ever had a problem with my posts. I've never received an infraction in any other forum other than RGT. And I've only ever received two 10-point infractions in RGT, despite my "abusive posting style".

No - which is why I think the following rule is bad:
If I'm allowed to continually bump a thread (and I have bumped threads several times over a period of months until the poster I'm debating says or implies "we're done") then the rule is obviously not targetting the problem.


As I said to rizeagainst above - I think the problem is tone, not content/opinion. Inevitably, it seems to me, the issues arise when people stop talking about what people say and start talking about why they say it. Note that you accused Hopey of hating you - I would dispute your ability to know that, unless you've had lots of discussions I'm not privvy to. I pretty much agree with his characterisation that he is sarcastic but not abusive. Similarly with lok2thabrain, though I tend to scan past the 'you-said, he-said' threads so perhaps I'm just missing bits.

"Do you have an answer?" posted every few weeks in a debate thread with some unanswered questions doesnt sound like harrassment to me. "Do you have an answer or are you hiding like usual you intellectually dishonest, moronic, lolbad-moderator." seems unreasonable.

I think the changed name of the images thread probably deserves some comment. Plus - why was the prayers/special intentions thread unstickied?

They both seemed like peculiar decisions in the current climate, unless I missed some discussion about them somewhere?

i'm going to defer all decisions regarding rgt to bunny. at least until i come back from dinner and maybe forever.

Sigh.... Lee, when a child is born does it immediately go... wow I love Jesus? Religion is passed on from person to person, there is no genetic religion. Does it really take faith to continue thinking that there is no master power out there?

/derail

Dude, get over yourself. You're stuck in the past. We've had our squabbles, yes. But I took a looong break from RGT and it's been roughly a year since you and I have had any confrontations.

Locking a thread because of what you think someone will say is not reasonable. Not only that, but your original reason for locking said thread was because we trolled you when we bumped it. Now you're saying that's not the reason? Which is it?

Whenever RGT has been in need of a new mod, Bunny's name is always the first to come up as an ideal candidate by atheists and theists alike. He's seen by both sides as being the most reasonable and fair poster in RGT. However, Bunny has so far refused to take on the thankless job.

Had Bunny agreed to become RGT's mod, you wouldn't have ever seen a thread like this in ATF.

I haven't spent much time in RGT lately as I used to, so I'm not up on the current state of the forum, but I've got to agree with Jib that there are a few posters (who have posted ITT) who have basically had a hate-on for Jib since before he was a mod and - from my perspective anyway - relentlessly went after him subsequently, attacking both his posts and his modding at every instance. Frankly, it got a little tiresome (IIRC I made some posts about this back then when things were pretty bad).

At the time anyway, Jib was often virtually the lone theist handling dozens of substantive posts from various atheist posters. While he didn't get back to everyone, and either abandoned - or forgot about - a number of posts, given the sheer number of posts to respond to I think he gave it a good faith effort. (Keep in mind that I'm an atheist and pretty well always disagreed with jib, but I appreciated his effort).

Jib put up with an astoninshingly high amoung of abuse from some of these guys, and I was surprised he let them get away with it.

So while I'm not completely up to date with these recent complaints against Jib, they seem to be the same old same old. Is Jib perfect as a mod? Of course not. But the people who attack him are not always, imo, objective when it comes to jib, and quite frankly are lucky they weren't banned a long time ago for the abuse they heap on a mod, who gives his volunteer time to help run this forum.

This is completely false.

I have made a very specific point about your modding style, and all you have to say is, "well, surely poster X, Y, and Z would have derailed the thread so I locked it before that could happen."

That is the worst reason I've ever heard for locking a thread.

I've told you multiple times to stop living in the past. To start fresh and understand that I've realized I was a bit too negative with my posts. That was a long, long time ago, yet here you are acting like I just told you to **** off yesterday.

Why can't you just let the past go?