Had a post that was on-topic deleted, which I am fine with as there is now "High Content" and I didn't use the block/wall of text format to make my points. (Although another poster made the exact same point I did in almost the exact same way and it was fine?.) I used Jib's math notation style to keep the content high. I was not trolling or in any way aggressive. But now....

I am now getting infractions for posts in the random thread that I don't get. This is the post and thread I am referencing by the way. (The thread should not have been locked and note what passes for "aggressive" and "trolling" in Jibninja's mind.) It is my opinion he is getting trounced obviously, but there is a lot of irony in complaining about the content while having a track record of shutting down discussion.

Can I at least get some points removed? If I get banned from 2+2 because a mod doesn't like people telling him Jesus isn't lord that seems pretty bad. Also it is at least slightly ironic given his recent complaining about content that he has already bailed out on the new content thread once and is flaking on it again.

I don't know what "SMP" stands for, but this thread seems to be a discussion on having a discussion. Yikes!

Run away! Run away!!

Lee

what % of your points are from him, and how close to being banned are you?

I know it brings back a lot of cognitive dissonance, and I dropped Catholicism like 20 years ago now lol. I think it starts down a slippery slope of "why is this person a mod" as one of his main complaints appears to be having to moderate the forum impartially. His track record is: bailing out and locking threads, trying to make it so other people can effectively mod the forum (he floated the idea of letting each OP mod their own threads at one point!!!), and deleting posts that are totally fine he disagrees with while trolling his own forum. wat.

all of them are from him and i have 70 now afaik with 100 being a ban. i have never received any warnings or infractions or bans from any other mod ever (on any forum).

Maybe you should just post in another forum. Or, if you really think that this mod is doing a bad job, pm someone like Mat, or Ryan, or Mike Haven with details as to why.

Their responses would be interesting, if nothing else. Of course, you could end up being mod yourself - sure that you want this?

Lee

I did PM Mat a few weeks ago but I couldn't give him the examples of the posts because they were deleted. I just assumed the other mods of RGT knew what happened there. Meh whatever, I will exile myself from RGT if my points get removed. Jibninjas is way way way too heavily emotionally invested to be a mod in the Christian Apologetics forum though, that seems fairly clear. This entire chain of lol posts could have been prevented if Jib would not have abused his mod powers to delete my original posts because he didn't like it aesthetically.

My first move would be to delete RGT entirely so it would be an easy job from there probably. The new Religion forum would have very different rules

Um, you want to take god and theology out of religion??

Lee

I've considered making a similar thread several times in the past, but I know it's just going to go the way of complaining about an NVG mod, "they should be able to do whatever they want for modding X forum because it's just a black hole of stupid."

Once Jib gets you in his sights he is extremely sensitive and trigger happy with the delete button.

I just avoid him now for the most part.

That just isn't possible any more though. I want to participate in the High Content threads but if I get 20 more points I am banned. And based on the harmless posts I made that got infraction points before, I am afraid to post anything. It seems like Jib is trying to strong arm the most vocal detractors of his jesusy dumbness out of the forum entirely.

I mean, the post I originally linked got 40 infraction points alone. For what?

FYP, just for clarification.

It looks like Jib is following a fairly common practice of escalating infractions. Not commenting on whether it's merited in this case, but 10/20/40 isn't an unusual way of increasing them.

OP should have just been permabanned for his ridiculous post rather than just gotten infracted. Toughen up Jib!

wat. Nothing I said was remotely banworthy. You must be a Christian too. Remind me not to come into your podunk forum.

I hear ya...

But this,

is why it's pointless to try to change anything.

Elliot has no clue about what the situation really is like, yet here is defending his fellow mod.

Surely this is the first time in recorded history that religion has caused disagreements and controversy.

Next thing you will tell me is that differences in religious beliefs can lead to bloodshed.

or possibly making a joke.

It's tough if you don't know what you got points for, kind of hard to see the point. Having said that, it was nothing to do with violating this rule, was it?

"5. If you post in the thread (or any thread) or make a new thread asking why your post got deleted or complaining that your post got deleted you will automatically get infraction points. All questions should be PM'd to a mod. "

I allegedly got the big points for being too aggressive towards a mod. That is a pretty fine line given what passes for "trolling" and "harassment" to Jib (see links above.) And I explicitly said I did not want an explanation for my points.

You could post something identical in tone to what I post but my writing style (or anything) prohibits me from taking place in a HC discussion? That is bull****. And wanting to start a public discussion about rule #5 being bull**** is meta- and should be OK in a random **** thread IMO but I am fine with being infracted.

I am fine with being infracted for all of this really. I just don't like the idea of being one infraction away from a ban when Jib is the one who can do it for pretty much any reason if I try and post in the HC thread. I am not paranoid but I have made it very public that I think he is an awful poster and an awful mod in the worst moderated forum on 2+2, so I would almost expect him to get rid of me some night when he was emo about RGT not being up to snuff.

It's kind of hard to PM Mat Sklansky with evidence that Jibninjas is for example unfairly deleting posts because well, the posts have been deleted.

Which as I've pointed out is a serious problem in RGT.

If Charles Manson or Jim Jones posted here during their times, would it be against the rules and an infractable offense to describe one or both of them as cult leaders? That's not an insult; it's a simple description of reality.

This is also what goes on with Jibninjas. People want to show him the truth, and sometimes to do so it needs to be explained how he is avoiding it. Many times he is practicing avoidance. Well what do you know, they actually put in the RGT rules that you can't ask or remind someone to answer something because Jibninjas had been avoiding tough questions and conversations so often that there was an epidemic.

And then guess what happens next? Jib creates a new thread, clamoring for high content. And then everyone explains to him again how he has historically avoided high content, and then those people in turn have their posts deleted or are told that they are "harassing" Jibninjas.

Being "too aggressive" is way, way too vague and the rules in this forum have gone so far off the deep end to protect an intellectually dishonest mod it would be surprising to me if anyone who is truly involved with 2+2 ever comes here or has any idea that this stuff goes on. Apparently pointing out to someone who is clamoring for high content that they have historically avoided high content is "too aggressive" and "harassment" and good enough reason to ban a person.

This forum has essentially outlawed people who actually live in reality.

Madnak does the same thing. I find it pathetic to be honest, because I know madnak is really really smart, and I'm also like 99% sure he's defended Jibninjas to the end and modded threads and forum rules for him personally because they're both green and he is afraid of having to admit a mistake.

Well, it *is* the religion forum after all.

I cut down my posting in there once I started seeing just about every post of mine getting deleted. It wasn't worth the effort of actually typing them out anymore. Half the time I had no idea why my posts were being deleted -- I'd just look back at a thread I'd previously posted in and notice that all of my posts were gone. I finally just chalked it up to being one of the atheist "poo-flingers" that Jib doesn't like posting in his forum.

I would assume mods can see deleted posts.

I've always wondered about that. Can a mod confirm whether or not this is true?