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Old 02-06-2017, 09:02 PM   #51
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So, yeah. I wasnt going to chime in, but TL.

I honestly dont care about miss pog at all. But the strongest opponents of it are a group of intolerant politically correct bullies that have gone out of their way to run people off that dont have their world view. So the push for banning miss pog wasnt exactly pulling me in.

However.... TL does it for me. She was one of the greatest people to ever set foot in pog and I respect her opinion. I view her as a level setter in this matter.

So, yeah. Thats my two cents. Doubt I go back there, though. Its not a nice place.
Great post

I agree with a lot of this
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:04 PM   #52
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The issue is that there is no team of mods and the current mods are playing tug of war with each other openly in the threads, it's kind of a joke. You have to work with each other outside of the threads, try to see all the sides and reach a collective decision. If it's obvious that you have everyone's best interest in mind then people will respect it even if they disagree.

I personally think a team can be comprised of you, KruZe and Monte. There are some in this thread who think MB is a good mod. He might be, idk. but the argument against that is that he obviously isn't gelling with the other mods. If you need to add people then I have made my personal recommendations as well. But I am just one man, and there are many who spend more time on POG than I.

Anniversary just around the corner, please make POG great again.
We have tried to get everyone together and talk in private

It was not met with enthusiasm by all. Hopefully it happens sooner than later since the faster we resolve this stuff the better it is for PoG and everyone involved
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:05 PM   #53
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Soah,

I would love to hear your thoughts on what you think should happen now. You can post them in the mod forum thread if you prefer, or in here.
My preference as a poster would be to discontinue Miss POG. As a mod, who knows. A couple of people have supported a compromise in which there would be a Tournament of Champions and then be done with it. That seems as reasonable a solution as any. If TL hadn't posted then I wouldn't know what to do, but I think that it was enough to push things over the edge as far as taking action. That said, it would still be best for a clear majority to emerge on one side of the issue, and if the discussion is reopened in POG then her post might have that effect.
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:08 PM   #54
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My preference as a poster would be to discontinue Miss POG. As a mod, who knows. A couple of people have supported a compromise in which there would be a Tournament of Champions and then be done with it. That seems as reasonable a solution as any. If TL hadn't posted then I wouldn't know what to do, but I think that it was enough to push things over the edge as far as taking action. That said, it would still be best for a clear majority to emerge on one side of the issue, and if the discussion is reopened in POG then her post might have that effect.
The ms pog thing will play itself out, and I think I know how its gonna go down
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:12 PM   #55
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Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

The "for example Larry Legend is still among us" made me laugh.
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:12 PM   #56
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end miss pog
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:13 PM   #57
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Hey guys, lettuce partake in a friendly turbo
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:17 PM   #58
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Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

Sounds like "it" goes well beyond the appropriateness of a new Miss POG thread (not that discussing that topic is unimportant). Sounds like there are moderation and moderator issues. And, relatedly, the overall civility of the forum's discourse.
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:23 PM   #59
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Sounds like "it" goes well beyond the appropriateness of a new Miss POG thread (not that discussing that topic is unimportant). Sounds like there are moderation and moderator issues. And, relatedly, the overall civility of the forum's discourse.
Correct

Out of all the issues we need to figure out, Ms Pog is the easiest imo
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:26 PM   #60
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Wasn't MB previously banned for being a huge spaz and losing control of his emotions repeatedly?

I never understood why he became a mod, must have been slim pickings.
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:26 PM   #61
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I'm really sorry for whatever strife this has caused the mods. That truly was never my intention in bringing up this issue, and I'm sure it wasn't for VR or TL either.
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:28 PM   #62
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I'll get back to you on that once I've had time to think a bit.
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:29 PM   #63
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Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

I personally do not like Monkey, he has said a lot of mean things about me, but i think he has been able to moderate the most difficult thread in POG (Politics) way better than any of the other politic mods i've dealt with. Able to have a civil discussion in one of the most sensitive topics

I think if anything he should have banned more people in the MS pog thread for personal insults
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:31 PM   #64
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end miss pog

demod MB

everyone wins
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:35 PM   #65
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Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

LenC comment on 72off post attacking women on aging poorly and men aging well, directed at a poster, was so obviously sexist and a personal insult

it is pretty crazy that in that context lenc is trying to play that post off as a "joke"

that was such an easy ban

the domer one, i dont know, i think monkey should at least explain what caused that ban
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:37 PM   #66
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Everyone doesn't need to "win". This is a "zero-sum game", frankly. (It wasn't meant to be, but its turned into that..) Keep Miss Pog or don't. It has nothing to do with MB. Those outcomes should not be tied together.
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:47 PM   #67
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Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

I am actually a bit unhappy this thread exists, and I know I have been posting in it. Miss POG will obviously continue (or die out) unless and until a joint mod statement is made.

The important thing is that when you see mods going at each other in POG threads, it means that something is very wrong and they need to talk it out in private like the adults they are. Trying to solve that dispute in public actually diminishes the chance it gets solved in private. There is a reason the Ms POG discussion thread desperately needed to be locked. I hope this thread follows suit.
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:50 PM   #68
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Then lock the Miss Pog contest threads too while its being sorted out. Its completely dishonest to continue to request to close the discussion threads while keeping the contest threads running. TimeLady couldn't even make her post in the proper thread because it was locked. Meanwhile, voting is open on Group A hot girls.

To be honest, my impression has been that certain people have an agenda of controlling the outcome of this all via surreptitious means, or if victory seems fleeting, to take a piece of flesh with you. That piece of flesh obviously being MB, since he was the one who most openly supported the female posters who wanted this.
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:55 PM   #69
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I think you did not even read my posts before replying. There are no mods fighting in the Ms POG thread. No one is publicly asking for mods to be demoting in the Ms POG thread.

I do not care if you think I am being dishonest.
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Old 02-06-2017, 09:57 PM   #70
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You said the Miss Pog thread was locked and this one should follow suit because the mods are fighting. I think locking them is just a means to shut down a conversation some people don't like having, and it has nothing to do with the mods.

The mods fighting is not the issue here. Its Miss Pog.

Stop conflating the two. That's also dishonest.
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Re: Powertrips and Other Grievances

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Stop conflating the two. That's also dishonest.
One is an issue, the other is a solved matter pending an official update that could change things.

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The mods fighting is not the issue here. Its Miss Pog.
You are completely out of your mind. There is literally nothing worse that could happen to a subforum.

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You said the Miss Pog thread was locked and this one should follow suit because the mods are fighting.
Except I actively started calling for that thread to be locked after the the fight happened. Not before.
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Old 02-06-2017, 10:04 PM   #72
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I think there has been a concerted effort to deflect from the Miss Pog issue.

Others will have to discern for themselves. I've said my piece.
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Old 02-06-2017, 10:07 PM   #73
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I think there has been a concerted effort to deflect from the Miss Pog issue.
Yes, but you basically accused of doing just that, and I spent god knows how many posts talking about miss pog.

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Old 02-06-2017, 10:07 PM   #74
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Everyone doesn't need to "win". This is a "zero-sum game", frankly. (It wasn't meant to be, but its turned into that..) Keep Miss Pog or don't. It has nothing to do with MB. Those outcomes should not be tied together.
I'm not tying them together

just expressing my position on both
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Old 02-06-2017, 10:10 PM   #75
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There is literally nothing worse that could happen to a subforum.
Oh you have no idea.
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