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And your first view on hateful posts was "they diminish with time" and you weren't going to delete them. Your first instinct was to do nothing with them.

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02-21-2017 , 10:30 AM

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Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

If people here were complaining that they reported hateful posts and nothing was done then that might be plausible

If you hadn't spent the past two years trolling the politics forum and defending every bigot who came in, maybe more people would assume you're acting in good faith. As it is, it's clear that the community isn't bothering to report posts they think are objectionable because they don't expect you to do your job. Having PaulD as co-mod would probably solve this issue.

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02-21-2017 , 10:33 AM

#304

plaaynde

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I'm glad I started the own politarding thread of SMP. Quality has to show up somewhere. Just an example of the fruitful dialogue over there:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=213

Watch and learn? Moderator Zeno is reverentially guiding us through the stormy waters.

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02-21-2017 , 10:35 AM

#305

Lattimer

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Serious question - what do you guys want P7.0 to be, that Politics Alpha isn't already sufficient for?

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02-21-2017 , 10:39 AM

#306

FlyWf

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Like, incredibly, we still haven't topped chez ignoring the guy who supported a political assassination of a pro-Remain MP. It's not like there's a trendline of there ever being effective action against offensive posts, and reporting posts to chez is primarily just going to alert him to add you to his enemies list.

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02-21-2017 , 10:40 AM

#307

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Indeed it's does seem like those who are compaining most are simply acting out their personal grievences. It wsn't unexpected.

They dont need to assume anything all they have to do is report posts.

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Chez, I have reported posts that break your rules and you have done nothing.

You do report a lot which I appreciate. The ones regarding hateful posts have all been dealt with promptly.

The rest have been addressed as well - maybe you dont always agree with the action taken which is soemtimes nothing.

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02-21-2017 , 10:43 AM

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Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

I complained to chez that someone was posting links to Britain First videos and celebrating the assassination of Jo Cox and he did nothing.

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02-21-2017 , 10:46 AM

#309

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

I complained to chez that someone was posting links to Britain First videos and celebrating the assassination of Jo Cox and he did nothing.

That's totally untrue.

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02-21-2017 , 10:52 AM

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jalfrezi

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Originally Posted by Lattimer

Serious question - what do you guys want P7.0 to be, that Politics Alpha isn't already sufficient for?

Somewhere free of fascism/racism/homophobia etc where political matters can be debated with people with opposing views who post supporting evidence when required, while not having to mind one's language too much.

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02-21-2017 , 10:57 AM

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Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by Lattimer

Serious question - what do you guys want P7.0 to be, that Politics Alpha isn't already sufficient for?

The only real value in P7 is that it functions as a quasi-containment vessel for chez and various other problematic posters so they don't tard up Alpha as much. If we could have something like that only with fewer links to homophobic and white nationalist sites, that would be sufficient.

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02-21-2017 , 11:14 AM

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FlyWf

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We already have SMP

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02-21-2017 , 11:17 AM

#313

FlyWf

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Trolly real advice don't report posts, because it also gives chez cover. Let the cesspool percolate. He did eventually like, lightly admonish the MP-assassination guy, and then that guy got banned for unrelated bad posting which took chez off the hook.

But alerting chez as to posts that are offensive is counterproductive, we should just let chez make those calls by himself so we can see just how far he'll go. We know he doesn't need post reports to get angry about rudeness or confronting people with hypocrisy or calling someone a liar, but without post reports I don't think he'd ever even bother to green text reply to posts about how Muslims are ruining Europe.

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02-21-2017 , 11:23 AM

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chezlaw

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It would be better if you did report posts fly but sure feel free not to and we will see how it goes. The offensive posts will be dealt with, with or without your help.

Some may realise that the last thing you want is for posts to be reported and dealt with.

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02-21-2017 , 11:30 AM

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Well NoQuarter has been on a final warning for a permanent ban for threatening violence and has subsequently been green text rather than banned for insinuating threats of violence.

Have any of fly's posts been reported in 7.0? If so have you dealt with them? If so why is it the last thing fly would want? If not then wtf are you on about.

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02-21-2017 , 11:36 AM

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plaaynde

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

We already have SMP

You can't find a more liberal guy than me. Read the whole SMP politarding thread and you'll see. I'm not liberal towards Trump though, can give you that.

It must have something to do with that evil has to be fought.

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02-21-2017 , 11:46 AM

#317

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by dereds

Well NoQuarter has been on a final warning for a permanent ban for threatening violence and has subsequently been green text rather than banned for insinuating threats of violence.

If so that would be a mistake on my part. I will check into or you could point it out.

NQ has recently had a timeout for offensive posts and isn't at all happy about abotu his posts on Muslims being deleted and his being unable to post the way he wants to about it. He is complying and if he doesn't he will find himself increasingly unable to post.

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Have any of fly's posts been reported in 7.0? If so have you dealt with them? If so why is it the last thing fly would want? If not then wtf are you on about.

Fly doesn't want to see offensive posts dealt with. Why else do you think he is keen on then not being reported?

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02-21-2017 , 12:02 PM

#318

kerowo

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Fly wants to see YOU deal with offensive posts on your own. He doesn't think you will and I agree with him. You aren't interested in doing the work and just like dropping your mod bon mot into threads that don't fit your idea of a conversation. What's interesting is you only seem to care about tangents that are going against your buddies are weren't started by them. Bahbah has been derailing the President Trump thread with a minimum wage tangent, something Trump hasn't brought up at all, for the last week and you've done nothing.

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02-21-2017 , 12:02 PM

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Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

I'm not really recommending that people avoid reporting posts, just pointing out the lack of lost reporting is a sign that users don't think it will accomplish anything.

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02-21-2017 , 12:06 PM

#320

Didace

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Originally Posted by frommagio

I've been reading this forum since I got curious about WTF the whole Bruce thing was, but I don't post here often. Chez is the first active mod who is actually trying to be fair to everyone. The people criticizing him are the guys who are used to just smearing everyone they dislike.

I don't post there (because lol politarding) but I read it a little and always like a good ATF fight. My thoughts are the BruceZ lynch mob has found a new target and has gotten the band back together*. Everything outside of the accepted group-think must be stamped out.

*I have done no research on if it is in fact the same group, it just seems like it. Except for LK, the poster least tolerant of other peoples views on the internet. He's in both groups.

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02-21-2017 , 12:09 PM

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dereds

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

Fly doesn't want to see offensive posts dealt with. Why else do you think he is keen on then not being reported?

I'm sure he does he just has a different definition of what constitutes offensive posting. That said he takes his bans from alpha without quarrel and you don't need posts to be reported to take action in your forum.

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02-21-2017 , 12:32 PM

#322

FlyWf

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

I'm not really recommending that people avoid reporting posts, just pointing out the lack of lost reporting is a sign that users don't think it will accomplish anything.

I am recommending it! You should stop. We need to give chez more rope

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02-21-2017 , 12:33 PM

#323

FlyWf

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Originally Posted by Didace

Like I said, there's SMP for these people, let them turn it into ****ing Stormfront's NAMBLA subforum so they can revel in their non-"accepted group-think" views on ****ing 13 year olds.

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02-21-2017 , 12:35 PM

#324

FlyWf

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Hell, let's mod wil and give him SMP too. As far as I can tell from chez refusing to answer(based previous times when chez played this game) that means what he posted wasn't offensive but chez doesn't want to defend it(he's put a line under it, time to move on, etc.). So 2p2 moderation's official position is that his posts in that thread are fine, Mat trusts him with a lot, let's do this ****. Go big or go home.

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