Ever heard the phrase, "don't throw the baby out with the bath water"?
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
It would be a shame if the only way to fix things was to close the forum. If it's decided that what's going on there now is a problem, I'd rather see new rules and/or leadership as necessary, instead of closing it.
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Does anyone remember when BBV4L was almost shut down because advertisers didn't like the picures of scantily clad women? An entire 5 star tunaman thread full of hot Asian women that even Barry Greenstein was posting in was nuked. iirc people were threatened with bans if they continued to post scantily clad women. Women in bathing suits, soooo offensive.
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Yup. Doesn't really have a lot to do with this thread, though.
It's pretty clear that the concerns of advertisers matter more than the concerns of posters
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
No, it really isn't.
Going to have to respectfully disagree.
There was a problem in 4L where RB would allow scantily clad women to be posted, but would delete pictures of men. This was resolved. Aside from this, there were no issues at all with half naked pictures of people, and there were precisely ZERO posters asking for rules to be changed so people would stop posting such pictures. Zero posters. But advertisers had a problem with it, and after an extremely short discussion, what was only a couple days iirc, the rules were instantly changed, and posters were threatened with bans if they posted pictures of women or men in bikinis.
Compare that now with P7. For months, numerous people have been pointing out that the biggest problem with the forum is a very small handful of odious bigots who openly post racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, and now even Neo-Nazi sympathetic propaganda, and instead of this small handful of posters being perma banned, they're threatened with maybe a time out so they can go sit in the corner for a couple hours and think about what they did, and then they're right back to spew their garbage all over the forum again.
I guarantee you that if it were advertisers saying they were going to pull their ads from the site instead of community members making a stink, there would be instant change, because there was instant change over the horrendous issue of pictures of women in bikinis. Clearly far worse than sympathizing with Neo-Nazis
I'm open to evidence to the contrary of my assertions above. But in case it's not clear enough: the problem with P7 is a small handful of bigots. The rules are clear, and they break them and sometimes moderator action is taken, sometimes it isn't, but when it is, it's completely feckless and does absolutely nothing to solve the problem, because the next day the same handful of posters are right back at it.