i need to make sure i understand. it seems you are implying that politics7.0 is a meaningful vehicle for the spreading of hate?


if you can convince me of that, it will go away immediately. i do go back, however, to my original statement. i am trusting the judgment of well named above all others.

Why should anyone bother trying to convince you of anything when you openly announce you're going to ignore what we think and go with whatever Well Named says?

that is my present state of mind. if you feel that my faith in well named is not justified, i will be happy to entertain that perspective.

I think he's pointing out that you're making contradictory statements, not that WN shouldn't be trusted.

I'm not sure this is true. As was mentioned earlier, it's not just P7, but also SMP and a few other places that allow and/or celebrate the kind of posting you've been made aware of on numerous occasions.

Refresh my memory: did you mod chez and keep all the other mod(s) on at the time? Did the other mod(s) ask to be removed?

Just wondering why, now chez's version of PU has crashed and burned three times and his are basically no longer the rules, he's still around as mod. Seems like in the past when the forum moved in a new direction the mod(s) was removed as necessary.

Well named, what do you think of 2p2 having its own mini Stormfront in P7, especially in light of Charlottesville?

i am baffled by you being confused by the way i operate. the discussions about these forums can all be found by you in the mod forum.

"Ah, yes, I do run a white supremacist forum, in fact my decision to mod a guy all the liberals hate was the reason it turned into a white supremacist forum, but it's very low traffic"

Where you draw that line says something about you. Maybe you don't know what Mat's buddies are up to without the jackboot of the Regressive Left aka MrWookie.

Yeah especially now that he's only going to care about well named's opinion. Whosnext and chezlaw are also moderators there, why doesn't Mat care about their opinion?

I'd say it's because well named is the "real moderator" after the first draft of the troll mod experiment crashed and burned. But chez didn't get removed, so he's still out here greentexting people who are rude to Nazis, letting horrific posts stick around for a few days, then deleting the posts and claiming they never existed.

This thread, for example, was created when LG got permabanned, but the ban before that was from chez and chez FLATLY LIED about why it happened. No "real" mod would stick around after that, but chezlaw isn't a real mod, he's a **** you to the cowardly anuses who say the meanie means.

Right now we got this mod of some other forums, augie_ both outright trolling in Baja Politards, and also straight up advocating for racism (ex: segregated lunch counters being legalized). I know these mods are volunteers, but seriously, we've had this kinda thing happen before with the infamous Bruce Z. Doesn't anyone vet these fools?

Maybe a rule should be made that mods of other forums shouldn't just start posting in Alta or Beta without asking the Politard mods about things first.

It's remarkable he's isn't seeking the opinions of long-term politics mods Wookie and Tom. Blowing off the views of the userbase is one thing, but how come this one guy who almost never shows up in politics is the only opinion that matters?

I'm in Montreal right now, perhaps ironically at the ASA annual meeting (theme: inequality and social inclusion). I haven't been keeping up the last week or so. I'm home wednesday, I might not get caught up on all this until then.

Will you put things right?

Barely needs saying but Fly's claims as per usual have little, if any, connection with reality.

Fly objects to me prohibiting posters from making use of conditions such as autism to insult people. That's the sort of thing that in his eyes is being 'green texted for being rude to nazis'.

Yes, Politics 7.0 is used to spread hate. This is probably the worst thing he has posted, but this scumbag below posts horrible non-sense on a regular basis. If you have your head in the sand and are not aware of current events, a literal self-described Nazi terrorist just plowed over innocent people and this piece of **** is blaming it on a conspiracy of Jews and calls for the prosecution of a Jew.

Again, he is advocating the persecution of a Jew in response to a Nazi terrorist event. It is a great moral failing on your part if this person ever makes another post on your website.

He was threatened with a timeout for this so it's not all bad.

For anyone who wants to follow it for themselves.

When someone uncritically posts Alex ****ing Jones conspiracies claiming Jewish people are masquerading as Nazi's to make white supremacists look bad you should just ban them.

I tried to post earlier but the bad cell service ate it. I'm in Montreal, perhaps ironically sitting in SJW HQ (the Sociologists for Women in Society hospitality booth at the ASA annual meeting; theme: inequality and social inclusion.)

I haven't read much of anything posted in the last week, and I probably won't be able to catch up until Wednesday. I think that mongidig post should be moderated. That's a bit too far into anti-Semitic conspiracy theory territory for my tastes. However, I'm not going to try to do it by phone.

On the more general subject, I would suggest that P7 being more tolerant of bad posting and offensive viewpoints is as much my doing, at least of late, as chez's. My opinion of where the line should be is often more permissive than other liberal/progressive posters. Although I've also moderated plenty of people for crossing the line imo. I don't know whether things have been worse (re: offensive posting specifically) in the time I've been away, or the current concern is just intensified by Charlottesvile. I'm happy to try to sort all this out when I get home. I'm sorry I can't really say anything useful until then.

Yes, that is exactly the problem, you treat these people with kid gloves. A warning for blaming a Jew for Nazi terrorism, what the ****? That is a no doubt instaban post and a perma unless you want to be VERY lenient. And if you want to be VERY lenient maybe let him back if he profusely apologizes and promise to never do any such thing again. Then perma when he obviously does do it again.

Also, if anyone would like to follow along, mongidig is doubling down and acting like HE is the victim here. Let's follow and see how it plays out, indeed.

A bit too far for his tastes!

Respected voice of wisdom Well Named will need to have a few days to study and meditate before he can decide whether there should be white supremacy on the forum he moderates.

Well Named, yes things have intensified since the little group of deplorables that infests P7.0 have played footsie with Nazi murderers. We knew they had horrible views but we thought, or at least really, really hoped, they had some decency. They do not, Charlottesville was a lay-up to show some decency and they cannot even muster that.

Maybe but I don't think 2+2 would uphold it even if we did. Whosnext made clear it's over the line and it wont be continuing.

I'd be a lot more strict with new accounts if it was just down to me but I don't see it as our role to ban regulars from 2+2.

What would happen if tptb failed to uphold it would be that the poster would be exiled from P7. Given that they'd be banned from both politics forums and that type of post anywhere else on the forum would get an insta there's a win. When regulars are suggesting Jewish people are responsible for Nazi violence they shouldn't be regulars.