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09-28-2018 , 10:32 AM
It was shortly after you angrily vouched for the character of a poster who has since been banned for defending pedophilia and bragging about his willingness to commit hate crimes, if that helps you place it.
09-28-2018 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky
if your compromise is make well named a moderator, you're forgetting the part where he doesn't want to be a politics moderator. not last time i checked anyway.
09-28-2018 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
It was shortly after you angrily vouched for the character of a poster who has since been banned for defending pedophilia and bragging about his willingness to commit hate crimes, if that helps you place it.
Was that wil or Silverman? It’s sad that I can’t narrow this down to one person.
09-28-2018 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky
I most like the part where you say my advice is the best advice.
You are a diamond man, never forget that!
09-28-2018 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky
if your compromise is make well named a moderator, you're forgetting the part where he doesn't want to be a politics moderator. not last time i checked anyway.
I'm sure another one will be found but admittedly it is a difficult job to attract candidates if Wookie still holds the ultimate veto.
09-28-2018 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
On this particularly, this has been brought about by years of unfair and biased moderating that the forums have become a left echo chamber and protected as such.
You've never shown an example of this.
09-28-2018 , 10:37 AM
Please ignore the fact that the jiff was hotlinked from MasculineImpressionableGerbil, that was merely a happy coincidence
09-28-2018 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
You've never shown an example of this.
This reminds me of a certain moderator asking for sources for well known political positions.
09-28-2018 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
This reminds me of a certain moderator asking for sources for well known political positions.
It reminds me of someone who pounds the table when they don't have facts to support their position.
09-28-2018 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
It reminds me of someone who pounds the table when they don't have facts to support their position.
How many ATF political threads have you posted in that were started because of moderating decisions again?
09-28-2018 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky
if your compromise is make well named a moderator, you're forgetting the part where he doesn't want to be a politics moderator. not last time i checked anyway.
One conclusion from my wall of text is that, IMO, adding me as a moderator to the main forum doesn't accomplish anything unless I'm supposed to be making dramatic changes to the way the forum is moderated, which would make a lot more people really, really unhappy and thus doesn't sound like a very promising idea :P

The idea of having multiple politics forums and labeling them more accurately sounds better, but still suffers from the problem that there doesn't really seem to be enough people interested in a second forum of the type I was interested in, and given the ****show that would follow I don't have enough free time right now to manage all of that anyway. Someone else could do it of course, but I think the first problem is the real problem.

Hence the arrival at your original conclusion.
09-28-2018 , 10:44 AM
Also, for the record, this is all false.

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The reason I looked at the Kavanaugh thread is because it's an interesting case on multiple levels. That's kind of the thing people participate on forums for.

How far do we take the presumption of innocence?
How far is too far in political gamesmanship?
Where do you draw the line between second chance and irredeemable?
Where and how do you draw the line between minor and adult?
How accurate is eye witness testimony, and memory over time?

None of these discussions are taking place.
09-28-2018 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by well named
One conclusion from my wall of text is that, IMO, adding me as a moderator to the main forum doesn't accomplish anything unless I'm supposed to be making dramatic changes to the way the forum is moderated, which would make a lot more people really, really unhappy and thus doesn't sound like a very promising idea Politics moderation

The idea of having multiple politics forums and labeling them more accurately sounds better, but still suffers from the problem that there doesn't really seem to be enough people interested in a second forum of the type I was interested in, and given the ****show that would follow I don't have enough free time right now to manage all of that anyway. Someone else could do it of course, but I think the first problem is the real problem.

Hence the arrival at your original conclusion.
Fair enough. I had a feeling that you wouldn't do it for this reason.
09-28-2018 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
How many ATF political threads have you posted in that were started because of moderating decisions again?
LOL
09-28-2018 , 10:54 AM
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(1) that Wookie makes actively biased moderation decisions against conservative posters
I mean, I sorta do? Like, when I started on at the forum, it was shortly after Mason had reopened it after closing it for rampant anti-Semitism. So I generally kept out the odd white supremacist, sexist, and whatnot, and discussions were mainly about the existence of government. But in the past 4 or so years especially, it's been increasing that conservatives want to argue that being racist, sexist, anti-Muslim, and occasionally anti-Semitic are core conservative values that I'm not allowing and therefore I'm anti-conservative. That's the whole ballgame here. If juan or bundy were strictly talking about the right level of the top marginal tax rate or how dividends shouldn't be considered income for tax purposes or even that old people should **** off and die if they don't have enough money for health care rather than having a government program to cover them, they'd still be there.
09-28-2018 , 11:01 AM
A Bundy containment thread is the obvious comporimose solution. Like, that’s basically what this thread is but moving it from atf to politardia would make life less annoying for tptb.
09-28-2018 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Was that wil or Silverman? It’s sad that I can’t narrow this down to one person.

it has to be wil. i still like wil.
09-28-2018 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
I mean, I sorta do? Like, when I started on at the forum, it was shortly after Mason had reopened it after closing it for rampant anti-Semitism. So I generally kept out the odd white supremacist, sexist, and whatnot, and discussions were mainly about the existence of government. But in the past 4 or so years especially, it's been increasing that conservatives want to argue that being racist, sexist, anti-Muslim, and occasionally anti-Semitic are core conservative values that I'm not allowing and therefore I'm anti-conservative. That's the whole ballgame here. If juan or bundy were strictly talking about the right level of the top marginal tax rate or how dividends shouldn't be considered income for tax purposes or even that old people should **** off and die if they don't have enough money for health care rather than having a government program to cover them, they'd still be there.
Exactly. Bundy juan et al want to be taken seriously as if they were a failson federalist dip**** with elbow patches proposing reasonable "centrist" nonsense. But they're ranting about the shape of the negro skull and the devastation of the lives of prep school *******s at the hands of evil lying women. Try posting something not instantly worthy of ridicule and you'll have a better time of it.
09-28-2018 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
I mean, I sorta do? Like, when I started on at the forum, it was shortly after Mason had reopened it after closing it for rampant anti-Semitism. So I generally kept out the odd white supremacist, sexist, and whatnot, and discussions were mainly about the existence of government. But in the past 4 or so years especially, it's been increasing that conservatives want to argue that being racist, sexist, anti-Muslim, and occasionally anti-Semitic are core conservative values that I'm not allowing and therefore I'm anti-conservative. That's the whole ballgame here. If juan or bundy were strictly talking about the right level of the top marginal tax rate or how dividends shouldn't be considered income for tax purposes or even that old people should **** off and die if they don't have enough money for health care rather than having a government program to cover them, they'd still be there.
You don't really want to go back to how I was banned do you?
09-28-2018 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
You don't really want to go back to how I was banned do you?
I'm fine with it. Make your case.
09-28-2018 , 11:46 AM
Politics needs a "Poker Economy" subforum, tia.
09-28-2018 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
This is an outright lie. You were only called a "rapist" in one of the posts you reported. In the other two, you were referred to as a "rapeologist" due to how apparently thoroughly you've studied rape as demonstrated in this post Rape-ology is the study of rape. Based on your insightful questions, it's only natural people would assume you study rape in some depth. You were not being called a rapist. Stop fabricating evidence against Wookie. I bet the post that got deleted was the one in which you were actually called a rapist. Nothing to see here except another right-wing poster making up facts to suit his narrative
As you have access to my three reported posts, i would ask that you repost them here and provide the time i reported them as well as when they were acted on.
09-28-2018 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
This is not, however, the view of the overwhelming majority of forum regs, for whom I think the zikzak post (watch us run you out of town, to paraphrase) reflects something closer to the majority view of the forum.
...because it was obviously going to be a terrible thread by a terrible poster, and that's exactly how it turned out. You (and Loki) parenthetically mention that the conservative posters who get dog piled are usually awful, but that's not a sidebar, it's the main point. I really hate the way you constantly frame that part as an aside, or minor contributing factor. The Politics regs aren't intolerant of right wing views so much as they're intolerant of stupidity and bull****.

You know who else gets run out of the forum every time he shows up? einbert.

Remember Deuces? How about Jiggs? There are plenty more, too.
09-28-2018 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
This is an outright lie. You were only called a "rapist" in one of the posts you reported. In the other two, you were referred to as a "rapeologist" due to how apparently thoroughly you've studied rape as demonstrated in this post Rape-ology is the study of rape. Based on your insightful questions, it's only natural people would assume you study rape in some depth. You were not being called a rapist. Stop fabricating evidence against Wookie. I bet the post that got deleted was the one in which you were actually called a rapist. Nothing to see here except another right-wing poster making up facts to suit his narrative
This is the exchange that Gregorio cherrypicked to claim i must be lying and a Rapeologist because of my thorough study of rape. (Forgive my inability to multiquote on my ipad)

Re: Brett Kavanaugh - Interest & Discussion
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Originally Posted by patron View Post
He probably raped her. Even if he didn't though - do you think that a person who is part of a gang rape club, who participates in and encourages the overall behavior even if he doesn't himself vaginally penetrate her, who never recants such behavior and instead lies about it to this day - do you think such a person should be on the Supreme Court of the United States?



Generally speaking, i prefer a liberal SCOTUS over a conservative one. Miranda, right to privacy and Roe v Wade all came from a liberal court. Kav certainly is more conservative than Kennedy, so I would prefer someone else, preferable a Dem nominated candidate. Even if kav goes down, i dont see this happening. I think we will see another Trump nominee on the court.

Does a person who committed rape or part of a gang rape club belong on the SC? Absolutely not.

But, has a high school kid who threw a girl on a bed at a party and groped her committed rape? No. Has a college guy who publically exposed himself at a party committed rape? No. Not by the legal definition.

Do i think its important to hear the actual testimony of Ford, Judge, Ramirez, Swetnick and Kav before making up my mind if Kav is a rapist or part of a gang rape club? I appear to be one of the few. (And a preemptive go **** yourselvesw to wookie and his fellow rape apologist labeling aholes).

Do i think Kav portraying himself as a choirboy and lying about his past is enough to disqualify him, even if the others allegations are not credible? Maybe.

I think Avenatti may have left out some details that will be later dropped as bombshells in oral testimony.... not nit-picking the level of detail provided. This is likely a multipart revelation.
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09-28-2018 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
The Politics regs aren't intolerant of right wing views so much as they're intolerant of stupidity and bull****.
Part of my complaint with the forum would be that I think some of you are overzealous in your reactions to perceived stupidity and bull****, which is not to say that there isn't also plenty of stupidity and bull****. In any case, I mentioned this same thing that you are saying:

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Originally Posted by well named
it's worth noting that this reaction is not just aimed at conservative posters, it's not purely about ideology
I only used your post because it was a convenient example that was already posted in the thread; I wasn't intending to comment on the specific context in which your post occurred.

      
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