kerowo is not close to extreme left. He's slightly left for a democrat, but right of many of the Politics posters, none of whom are anywhere near the extreme left either, except maybe einbert.

If you look at the posts, the people being mobbed and attacked aren't even going that far

Yeah I don't want to and I'm not allowed to post in the politics section. I would gladly post my history and have anyone reasonable tell me how I was treated fairly. I'm not here for that though. I just think the current situation is ridiculous (as outlined in op) and that the current politics section can remain the same while providing something new that is an actual politics section.

AFAIK 2p2 is a business. None of this even makes any sense from that standpoint either. They are allowing an intolerant mob to shut down participation from 2p2 users. 2p2 is also allowing this far left community to abuse its customers that want to participate in discussion.... which is the business model. If they haven't monetized clicks like everyone else, they should.

To put it in perspective the most thoughtful and intelligent left of liberal poster in politics is well named. He accumulates thousands of posts. He posts in an isolated community on 2p2 that has politics discussion instead of the regular section. Why would someone in the forum business drive their customers to other forums? Why are they letting an intolerant group run the show? It's weird. Is there another poker boom around the corner?
2p2 Politics section is far left. To state otherwise would be ignorant. Einbert is openly a communist and treated civilly while people standing up for liberal values are met with disdain. The last time I pointed out communism has failed every single time and is responsible for about 100 million deaths and exponentially more suffering in the 20th century, a bunch of posters got all defensive and started going all "what about capitalism?". Sorry but that's a lot of "extreme" left imo.

The left here is definitely far left. It's certainly left of liberal. It's not just here either. Liberals like Bill Maher are being left behind. Its impossible to ignore the popularity of Bernie Sanders. From B Clinton, Obama, Hilary, to Sanders and now Cortez is a clear sign that mainstream leftism is going further left and getting more popular.

One of the things you can note when talking about "extremes" on the left and right is intolerance. The level of intolerance on 2p2 politics is obvious. People in the bubble or blinded by their own ideology might not notice. You are actually part of the problem. You are one of 3 mods participating in 2p2 politics that are flat out shallow and rude to the customers.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1533

Is this "bad faith" which is a tool used by politics mods to ban people? This is obvious hyperbole. I mean nobody is even being accused of rape. Unlike all the other public cases (B clinton, Cosby, Weinstein, etc) there are multiple accusations and some evidence. The guy has a 35 year clean record with no further accusations. He is not even being accused of rape. He is facing accusation from behavior as a drunk minor by a (drunk?) minor. There is clear political motivation and the whole thing has been brought forward in a politically tactical manner. There's no room for reasonable skepticism? this is a discussion forum you know. Are you being rude, shallow and snarky? I know how you've treated me in the past and seen your posting habits. This is not out of character. Again, I don't need to mine your posting history I'm extracting all of this out of the same thread over a couple days.

The reason I looked at the Kavanaugh thread is because it's an interesting case on multiple levels. That's kind of the thing people participate on forums for.

How far do we take the presumption of innocence?
How far is too far in political gamesmanship?
Where do you draw the line between second chance and irredeemable?
Where and how do you draw the line between minor and adult?
How accurate is eye witness testimony, and memory over time?

None of these discussions are taking place. There are some attempts being derailed by a mouth frothing mob hurling shallow insults and hyperbole. Including the mods

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1533

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1325

tl;dr

Politics boards need to have a dominant outlook else they devolve into the comments section of any online story (I have no evidence for that statement other than experience). 2+2 very coolly tried to have two politics threads, but the more conservative one devolved into a place that nazi's felt comfortable posting and management had to shut it down.

Area man extremely concerned about hyperbole and insults from his political opponents hurls hyperbole and insults at them.

I'd suggest a 2nd politics forum with no moderation. I volunteer to moderate by not moderating at all, assuming it makes my name green again. rofls That gif is awesome btw.

Edit: on second thought, the only rule is banning anyone who messages me complaining about the lack of moderation. Also I will ban anyone I don't like, if I ever wander into the forum randomly and I don't like their poasting.. Also I'm prebanning toothsayer and any similar sn to prevent the spread of internet plague.

We literally tried that, and it was internet plague, led by toothsayer and the OP.

My idea is different than the normal 2p2 politics forum. I'd call it politics-unmoderated, or something like that.

unchained. then i'll get circumcised again.

(sorry in advance, i don't actually know any recent popculture references)

I Really don't see why an unchained shouldn't work ATM. It was horribly ran before and still offered entertainment for quite awhile. A simple task of exiling problem posters and deleting pointless threads would have reduced most of the headache. If it goes sour, pull the plug. It isn't a big deal.

I'll mod it. Politics and Beer!

i'll open another politics forum when every poster who posts in that forum is willing to reveal precisely who they are to the world. the posting of full names, addresses and telephone numbers. notarized copies of that information mailed to me.

10 people willing to do that and the game is on.

Pics of circumcision or no?

is it still ok for me to make fun of the gayness of that question?

As long as you properly capitalize everything to show respect I think you're good.

I DON"T USUALLY CAPITALIZE.

i'm reminded of a recent encounter with a gay gentleman. i was with my wife in an uber pool being picked up from a bar that is mostly gay. for reasons i don't remember i asked this other passenger if he was gay, after i had introduced myself and my wife, kiera.

he said yes. then i said, "i'm not gay." he pointed out to me that the female spouse made that statement a little obvious. i know i've done and said many stupid things in my life, but somehow that one sticks out as the winner.

we all had a good laugh about it.

And what about Wellnamed? No one is looking for a conservative politics forum. We are looking for one that is centre and not far left as it is at the moment. I'd settle for centre left if Wellnamed was mod.

You know tolerance. That thicker skin quality. The thing that makes you less delicate and able to make something of yourself in the world without always feeling that everyone is out to get you and the need to be protect yourself from others in large groups. Which is basically what the politics forums are just a large congregation of the progressive faith with Wookie as the preacher.

LOL, no self awareness whatsoever.

Its amazing to me that the left considers themselves tolerant, but then you get what is happening in the pol forum. There is a thread right now about trumps penis! A month ago a thread about an illegal alien killing a girl got locked. Yeah, no bias at all in the modding, nosiree.

Not true, wookie has given me 50 infraction points based on pol forum posting.

Rule #4 of the pol forum, "no broad brush attacks on opposing political parties."

This rule is broken all the time by the left on the forum, even by the mods. I was called a nazi bc of my support for trump. Jman called all libertarians and trump supprters nazis. Wookie said the only thing Republicans have to offer r white supremacy and money for the rich. I got infraction points for posting a link from a left leaning news site saying that obama had similar border policies as trump! Bias? No way! Never! Lmfao

Your post leaves me dumbfounded

What's the problem? There is a whole book about it.

The mob mentality in that forum is way, way too far but there's nothing you can do to ever appease a conservative once you're on the "left" or whatever--they never stop complaining. I almost tl'dr'd this but it's a moderation only topic so I wish the mods had quicker triggers on those zero post obvious full of crap guys, then we wouldn't have the next 20 dunking posts on them right after.

It's a shame people have gone super cult like tribalism now (conservatives started this--and now they're complaining about the consequences and that's always annoying) and I don't think it's even possible as a society to get out of it (without say a war).