Literally a majority of the forum was espousing hard core libertarian ideas when I was the mod and there were countless threads about the BIG BAD GOVERNMENT. The posters from that era are still there posting, it’s just that, while they were right wing, they aren’t crazy “Donald Trump, great president or greatest president” posters, so they get labeled far-left now.

We have already covered this:

As a functioning stillborn, i understand that there's a lot of things i don't understand. But i think i still have some idea of what i spew outwards.

post your poll. if you post anything else before that i will actually ban you.

Yeah, I was grunching, I was going to read all 500 posts in this thread, but then decided instead I had some toenails i needed to pull out with a rusty pair of pliers.

For the benefit of the readers, would you please state how many active infraction points you have, how many bans you've eaten in the last 8 months, and approximately how many posts in Politics you've made in that time?

So Mason is the only one that starts them (or re-opens others that have been closed; and probably not even far right ones either from any rational basis although you and others probably would have a different opinion on that) and you can't do anything about them because he's admin. So try again.

This isn't exactly true. pvn's made something of a faceturn. Some, like awval, are definitely all in on Trump. Others, like akspartan, are wholeheartedly anti-liberal, but he pretends like he's arguing from the position of being the one true liberal rather than being transparently an ACist holdover. And many, like borodog, have just stopped posting.

*ahem*

The only far right topics that right wingers passionately care about are transparently racist, sexist, Islamophobic, homophobic, or otherwise denying the humanity of some out-group of people. You would still be there if you had said "Oh, hmmmm, I guess the deaths of a few hundred thousand Iraqi civilians is actually a terrible atrocity. My previous post was bad."

Its not a hissy fit. You allow, and voice support in your own posts, personal attacks and name-calling posts with no substantive merit by the liberals but not the conservatives despite the rules of the forum.

Probably 80% of my last 500 posts.

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I’ll come back in and moderate and have that forum back in tip top shape in two weeks, or my name isn’t Furd Terguson.

So that's 0, 0, and 400?

How many times have you argued for the forum-consensus-liberal position on things?

I remember the forum differently, I guess i’ll have to dig into the archives. Another one that stands out to me as being pretty far libertarian at the time was Tomdemaine, and he’s still around as well.

Yes. And you are right, i get more hissy when someone calls me a Nazi sympathizer, a criminal and sex offender when the post is not removed then if someone says i am a moron.

So, your political views aside, your posting tone is/was quite harsh and nasty. And while I’ll freely admit that I responded to your tone with the same tone, the fact that you posted in that way is a large reason why you got called the kinds of names you did.

Edit: To be clear I never called you a nazi sympathizer, a criminal, or a sex offender, I’m just explaining why others might have.

I guess this is the thing. Noone is suggesting that toothsayer should be able to make thinly veiled OPs which are clearly against the sites T&C's. What (I think) is being suggesting is that bans and infracts be evenly handed for incendiary insults and trolling debate tactics.

Should it be fair game to call one individual a rapeologist regarding their indifference for whatever viewpoint regarding Kavanaugh? A few weeks ago I probably would have most supported of what Ellison without much thought, but apparently he is a wifebeating piece of crap. Was I a wife-beat-ologist? Would you consider it a fair thing to say if someone was indifferent until 'more evidence is presented about Ellison' or thought it was a 'horrible attack on his private life'?

If you are not willing to warn both then I think you still miss the point.

Tom is a definite faceturn. He has described his journey as being from liberal to libertarian which he perceived as the real liberal, and then back to liberal. I actually had a similar arc. I was a big fan of Ron Paul's anti-war stance. Turns out the guy is a huge ****head. Oops.

I staunchly disagree. People with thousands of posts of valued contributions are always going to get more deference than 10 post nobodies.

Yeah, but I still think it was the fact that he acted like a jackass coupled with his viewpoints that ultimately led to the name calling, not just the viewpoint alone.

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From op alone, im a moderate middle of the road and was a republican for a good part of my life. I am fine with the moderation of politics. I have been temp banned a couple of times and made my peace with it.

Honestly if there is any criticism I think moderators give some people too much room to repeatedly break the rules. However those same people never learn and end up doing themselves in eventually.

It helps if you are going to make contrary arguments you actually know what you are talking about and are able to deal with feedback. Too often people show up without reading the forum (I advise any newcomer to any forum anywhere to go read only for a couple of weeks to familiarize themselves with the standards, mores and expectations) and then just spew talking pointscthey parrot from cable news or from YouTube videos. With this the bring no knowledge or comprehension.

I would also add some of the discussion have gone on fior a long time. If you come to discuss a hot “Obamacare” take, realize some of us have discussed it HERE for close to ten years and have been through every twist and turn and nook and cranny. The reality is most “new” people who start posting on a politics forum for the first time in 2018, on a poker website, is likely posting in very bad faith.

Are there times when the regulars are less than welcoming to magic newcomers? Maybe, but I don’t really recall anyone with a legitimate platform and knowledge base bowing up in the last couple years.

The reality is way more people here regularly read the politics forum than regularly post in it. Different events being out the lurkers to jump in. This whole Kavanaugh issue brought in a lot of these less frequent posters and most of them are not pro rape.

Personally I think there are a handful of trolls and bad faith posters have been given way more rope than they deserve but I realize moderating any forum let alone the politics forum here is a thankless task. So at times I do get frustrated but I appreciate their work thst makes the existence of the forum possible.

I received a temp ban recently and felt bad about it. I spent my ban watching only Fox News as a form of additional extreme punishment for my bad act.

One of the biggest fallacies is the forum is an echo chamber. There is a lot of disagreement on a variety of subjects. However if you want to come into the forum saying Trump is a good president you will be rightfully curb stomped as that is settled and it indicates one is trolling, posting in bad faith or extremly dumb.

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how can you claim there is no bias when calling someone a moron gets points and /or a temp ban but calling someone a Nazi gets nothing?

yes, people get banned for posting in the pol forum. There was a poster called TrumpWonHllaryLost who posted factual good economic news and whose posts were deleted and account deleted.

wow. Are you for real? I guess that means I am winning the debate obviously.

I used to appreciate Seattle Lou. I know he got attacked by some and moved on, but I appreciated interacting with him.

Personally I am always on the lookout for new posters who can communicate a different perspective. But like I said before it is 95% regurgitating media talking points with no real knowledge. The only ones who are “informed” are pretty much extreme racists, sexists and all around horrible people.

I for one am always on the lookout for someone posting intelligently and also has the ability to defend their positions. Problem is when you start throwing up non main stream theories there is an expectation of being able to document and support such positions. This is pretty much always a fail.

Lots of the lurkers drop by and make a post every few months and they are not jumped on unless they are reading a RT SCRIPT.

The peoole itt upset the most about the current politics atmosphere are dreaming of a return of unchained or the like we’re exclusively horrible posters with non stop horrible takes.

Since the kavvanaugh thread is an impetus to this whining, I will note that defending Kavanaugh accusations from a proper investigation is an absolutely horrible take and indefensible. When people jump in with that take they have already made their existence have an expiration take because it is not a debatable topic.

People being okay with Kavanaugh being on SCOTUS even if the allegations were proven are an even worse take. We have seen all these horrible theories. Most of the regulars in politics do not discuss politics in that forum exclusively, they have many other outlets. Several of us participate in places that is dominated by heartland trump supporters with much more draconian rules than here, yet we somehow still manage to engage.