i'm actually curious what you mean by this. so please elaborate.

I thought the question posed was regarding a new forum and not whether a new mod should moderate the existing politics forum or the existing one should get replaced.

And I think you'll find there was more than enough interest especially when, as I said in that thread if I remember correctly, that as the politics forum is already overrun by liberals who are mostly against a centre/centre right forum then they will have the numbers to vote it down and that's what happened.

This whole open polling was never going to produce a true result when as I said a lot of posters would have refrained from voting because

(a) the poll was not anonymous and posters did not want to be dragged down by posters in other forums because of their views on this (which is similarly happening here)

and

(b) many posters have moved on from politics in general because they are sick of what it has become on here and would have ordinarily partaken in the poll at an earlier time if the politics forum hadn't descended into the state that it has.

You also have to remember that there has been a reason why these alternate politics forums were started in the first place and surely I don't have to tell you why that happened and that was even when the state of politics aligned much better with the views of the echo chamber and less reason to throw vitriol at conservative supporters (i.e. Obama was in charge and Clinton looked like replacing him).

answer a different question first. why do you care so specifically about the 2+2 politics forum?

i don't.

How is it not worth studying women? There are so many of them! Half the people are women.

juan, nobody cares about YouTubes. Post peer-reviewed articles if you want to be taken seriously. Anyone can make and post a YouTube claiming anything (except maybe not Alex Jones anymore). YouTube tends to be the medium for people who could never get published in peer-reviewed journals, like flat-eathers or 9/11 conspiracists. Your YouTubes have the same level of credibility as those sorts of videos.

This question will never be answered.

I already did this:

And the evidence clearly shows that gregorio is right.

The only thing that was important to me was that you made a couple of assertions about what deleting that post meant, and hadn't retracted them - I assumed it was because they were actually referring to another post. If they weren't, then I guess I'll just take it as implied that you're retracting them.

This would take a bit of research that I wouldn't mind doing, but I have other things I should be doing first, so I'll have to pass for now. If someone's really interested, remind me in a few weeks when my schedule gets better. If I go down the stats rabbit hole before then (I love me some stats), I'll end up not getting more important things done.

Lol no. With less than a handful of exceptions, and on the US-centric scale...

Politard regs are all very, very comfortably inside the Donkey-Elephant continuum. There effectively are no "far left", nor "far right", posters in that forum.

Whiners that whine about "far left", "hard left", etc domination are simply incapable of perceiving reality. Which means they'll never be happy, because this "bias" they whine about doesn't exist. So... no reason to try to appease the unappeasable.

Well it's clearly documented my personal grievances against Wookie and my banning and how he handled it but that aside the way the place is run is completely contradictory to how I see a forum should be moderated (not to mention its own rules) and hypocritical when you look at their own criticisms of trump.

I know left and far left when I see it.

Your pal wil picked up a temp ban from his ultra-forgiving mod chez after advocating assaulting transgender people.

The gloves came off and Queensberry rules were suspended with the aim of seeing wil make a donation to a transgender cause, which would have been pretty funny.

This is what you do with neo-fascists - you don't debate them because they (eg you) aren't interested in honest, evidenced debate; you "punch 'em in the face" in the same way as wil used to advocate disciplining children.

Sure you do.

• So, in the US general population (and on US-centric scale), what % of the population would you ballpark as what you call "far left"?
  
  1%
  10%
  33%
  49%
  ??? %
  
  
• Same question for "far right"? What % would you ballpark?
  
  
• As you use the term, are any US Donkeys, or Donkey lovers, a part of the "far left" or "far right"?
  
  
• Same question regarding Elephants/lovers of Elephants. Are any of them "far left" or "far right"?

If you think it's likely Mason Malmuth has never said something following the form of "All the Democratic Party has to offer is [Bad Things]" then I don't know what to tell you.

If it is anything like Australia it is around 15%. And to hold this forum to 15% of the overall political views of your country is embarrassing.

Far left is something like, I refuse to vote as I don't recognize the legitimacy of any capitalist-imperialist government and am working to smash the state. Moderately-far left is like above, but replace "I refuse to vote" with "I have to vote in order to fight the fascist white supremacist Republican party even though the thought of voting makes me vomit." Regular left is DSA, and democrats in general are centrists or right of center.

BUT DID YOU WATCH ALL 79 MINUTES OF IT AND WRITE A DETAILED REBUTTAL? NO? CHESSMATE!

OKVG,

How does this 15% intersect with the members/lovers of Donkeys or Elephants? Is it...

-all- of that 15% are/love Donkeys or Elephants?
90% of that 15%?
50% of that 15%?
10% of that 15%?
-none- of that 15%?
other ???/?

You haven’t heard all the complaints from conservatives about conservatives being SHADOW BANNED on the social media? They’re trying to get congress involved and whatnot

I doubt I agreed with Will on anything but the way he was treated by those I do agree far more with on politics was something else.

The hatred and vitreol is something I never want to be part of. I'm sorry that as mod I wasn't able to do more aboutthe horrible way some treat members of our community.

Well yeah. The politics forum does kinda suck as does BFI, SMP and practically every forum on 2+2 in 2018. It’s not going to change baring a huge influx of new posters which is out of everybody’s hands. So ignoring this place is obv the best solution. Especially since facebook, twitter and reddit all have far superior and more active places to discuss things.

Those that don't vote because they don't recognise the legitimacy of government as a concept would be in an extreme far left category for me. Luckily for these forums we don't have too many of those.

You seem to be implying that you should have done more to combat objections from the liberal left to the gross racism and hatred of minorities espoused by wil, juan, sushy and others.

If you wanted to combat the latter you should have been more effective with temp bans.

Someone in pol called me a moron, I called them one back, I get infraction points for it. Wookie called me a snowflake, how is that any different? Someone called me a Nazi, that's worse than calling someone a moron, right? How can you guys justify this biased modding?

I'm not sure I'm implying anything apart from my inability.

I do know that I want no part of the hatred and vitreol towards those I disagree with. I don't really get why it's been allowed to become the norm on 2+2 but that's how it is.

I'm surprised that those on the left don't sympathise a bit more as to your motives given that they tend to support social justice causes more than the right.