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I'm not entirely sure what Juan is trying to say, but it looks like part of the problem is he doesn't know the difference between science and humanities journals.

Your defensive reaction is kind of sad. These peer reviewed papers were submitted to the grievance studies. These are the people manufacturing the wage gap myth that made it all the way to Obama lecturing everyone based on it. The rape culture myth that 20% of women on campus are victims. I got a temp ban without warning for criticizing what they do and how they come up with their conclusions

Wookie basically puts his fingers in his ears and starts singing like a child when he hears something that goes against his religion. It's just totally close minded and intolerant. It reminds me of the people featured in part 1. You can skip to 6:00 to see the people representing his behavior

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol

do 10nl players waltz into high stakes forums and start giving strategy advice without getting dogpiled/ridiculed? think about it.

this would be a good analogy if the forum was as you describe, but it's not. It's an echo chamber that just screeches about headlines like adult pro wrestling fans that think its real. they can't even follow the plot. The Kavanaugh thread perfectly represents the forum

We saw this previously. The mob can't follow the plot on the headline of the day. They get told its wrong and to figure it out. Hundreds of screeching posts from the politics regs and they just can't seem to grasp the plot.

Starts here

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=725

The whole thing is a comedy show of the "politics" regs but just a couple highlights to set it up

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=737

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=781

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=783

The difference between this and the Kavanaugh thread is that politics section has just become more of an echo chamber so nobody is able to hold the WWE rubes hand and help them follow the plot

10-05-2018 , 02:59 PM

#678

well named

poorly undertitled

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Quote:

Originally Posted by juan valdez

Your defensive reaction is kind of sad

Oh, to be clear I think this hoax illustrates a real problem, just not quite the one that you say it is. I think a pretty good take can be found in this thread:

I also thought Tyler Cowen's take was fairly reasonable, although probably even a bit too equanimous.

I would add that I think academic publishing is broken in a few different ways in general, e.g. for profit journals, the way "publish or die" tenure requirements incentivize a lot of dubiously valuable work, and so on. And I'm sure I have plenty of disagreements about intellectual rigor with the editors/contributors of some of the humanities journals in question. I just don't think any of the above fits neatly into your "lefties hate science" narrative, because there are also plenty of "lefties" editing/contributing to the science journals which rejected the hoaxes.

10-05-2018 , 05:58 PM

#679

6ix

Pooh-Bah

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte

Really? Did you look at r/politics? It seems pretty trivial to find much better posters/commenters all over the place.

I don’t even really read 538, but briefly looking at a few comment threads, some stuff over there is way too intelligent for 2+2politics. A few dozen people seem able to make correct points and have conversations that require understanding high school level statistics. Granted I don’t spend much time on other politics forums (or even politics here anymore for that matter) but a 10 min search seriously calls your claim into question.

Ok, you're just doing a bit at this point, right?

10-05-2018 , 06:05 PM

#680

bundy5

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Josem

I'm not familiar with the full extent of the discussion here, but my reflection. This is all from memory, I don't really feel strongly about any of this, so am likely wrong in details.

1) I had an off-2p2 discussion with Suzzer about politics.
2) Suzzer transposed it to 2p2
3) We discussed a bit, various folks were pretty critical of my view.
4) My perception was that people were just regurgitating various talking points, rather than have a meaningful, open-minded discussion that could move at all.
5) It exchange wasn't very important to me, I don't feel strongly about the issue, but that was my rough perception.

They haven't hired me back, if that's what you're hinting at. I do not envisage that happening in the forseeable future.

Thanks although again I was hoping that you weren't the Josem the mob was referring to given your much more valuable contribution to the site than most of the mob provide.

10-05-2018 , 10:45 PM

#681

Mat Sklansky

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i now have to recuse myself.

Quote:

Reason: This poster continues to troll the thread without adding anything of value.

Post: Brett Kavanaugh - Interest & Discussion
Forum: Politics

Posted by: Mat Sklansky
Original Content:
Quote:
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Originally Posted by well named View Post
Given your post in ATF, I feel like it might be more productive for you to ask your wife about why you should care.

But, I think there are broadly two tacks one might take:

1) That you have a moral and civil obligation to participate. The Kavanaugh nomination potentially has consequences to the well-being of millions of people, and that's true of a fair number of things in our politics right now (immigration policy, civil rights, etc.), even when they are inconsequential to you personally. A functioning and just democracy requires at least some minimal participation of its citizens, and it requires us to feel we have some obligation to look out that justice is done for all.

2) Or, someone could appeal to your personal interests, but that's hard to do in the abstract without knowing much about you personally.

potential consequences. and then there are unintended consequences. i am not married to any of them. my wife, on the other hand is a little more passionate. but she has also been a lazy voter (meaning mostly nonvoter). i did make the following offer: " if voting is too much a burden, you don't have to vote. i promise to cancel any vote out you would have made." that would be a burden on me, but i try to be a good husband.

that other guy was right, perhaps, in saying i don't represent the non voter. people like my wife are the types you need to motivate. and if and when you do, make sure they come back unscathed and willing to perform as before.

it will eventually reach the supreme court and brett will see things my way. but that takes time.

10-05-2018 , 11:34 PM

#682

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shuffle

From an actual politics thread:

Reported and ignored.

Maybe I'm reacting to harsh to that one, but seems like that's the example being set.

I see. What is the acceptable turnaround time for a solo volunteer moderator getting bombarded with crap and also having a life?

You probably should have reported Mat for trolling you so hard:

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Originally Posted by Shuffle

You seem pretty rustled bro. Take some deep breaths, it will help.

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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky

You seem pretty rustled bro. Take some deep breaths, it will help.

if i didn't copy and paste that. if those words actually came flowing out of my person into the world in a non ironic manner, i would subsequently kill myself.

But if you're butthurt about me not rigorously enforcing rules:

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Originally Posted by ElliotR

The "U mad" meme = no longer welcome.

Guess I'd better get right on that!

10-06-2018 , 03:44 AM

#683

bundy5

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Whatever happened to Elliot?

10-06-2018 , 05:53 AM

#684

Bobo Fett

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shuffle

Reported and ignored.

LOL. Reports post, nothing happens in less than 2 hours, promptly posts that report is being ignored. Well done.

10-06-2018 , 06:45 AM

#685

bundy5

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

LOL. Reports post, nothing happens in less than 2 hours, promptly posts that report is being ignored. Well done.

Hmm - sounds familiar to the no reply in less than 24 hours to a Wookie clarification and gets banned for not responding by that deadline. Maybe Wookie might mind upholding the same standards of timeframe for response as he requests from others.

10-06-2018 , 07:10 AM

#686

Mat Sklansky

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky

i now have to recuse myself.

it will eventually reach the supreme court and brett will see things my way. but that takes time.

btw, it would be fine with me if they mandated voting in this country. i was just taking an alternative viewpoint.

10-06-2018 , 07:59 AM

#687

bundy5

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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky

btw, it would be fine with me if they mandated voting in this country. i was just taking an alternative viewpoint.

Yes please mandate voting in the US. The less hostility the better.

10-06-2018 , 08:59 AM

#688

gregorio

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Mandated voting but you have to take a quiz first and your score determines how much your vote counts. Current government gets to determine how the quiz is scored.

10-06-2018 , 11:31 AM

#689

Mat Sklansky

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having participated and reading a little in the politics forum as a result of this thread, i conclude that it's probably not a very pleasant atmosphere for those who don't share the views of the majority of posters. however, i don't see that being "fixed" through moderation.

the moderation is good enough given the subject matter and the population. it's probably even pretty good.

case is closed for me. i do think wookie should consider letting bundy return, but that would be a matter for them to discuss privately.

10-06-2018 , 11:42 AM

#690

bundy5

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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky

Well that is one outcome but don't expect me to be the next adios

10-06-2018 , 11:43 AM

#691

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gregorio

Mandated voting but you have to take a quiz first and your score determines how much your vote counts. Current government gets to determine how the quiz is scored.

Voting will be great when the value of your vote depends on correctly answering questions such as:

Q: What is the mueller investigation?

A:
a) Mystery yoghurt
b) investigation of any Russian government efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election
c) Witch hunt, SAD!

10-06-2018 , 11:47 AM

#692

Mat Sklansky

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bundy5

Well that is one outcome but don't expect me to be the next adios

i don't know what you mean.

10-06-2018 , 12:01 PM

#693

MrWookie

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adios is a longtime conservative poster who tends to pop in from time to time, drop a pretty dumb point, and then moonwalk away, never to be seen for a while after people laugh at him and dunk on his point.

10-06-2018 , 12:06 PM

#694

Mat Sklansky

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so bundy saying he won't be like adios is a point in his favor? i don't know the history of bundy's exile, but he seems like a guy who wants to engage, honestly. any chance i'm right about that?

10-06-2018 , 12:08 PM

#695

chezlaw

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Or maybe bundy means he will defend himslef when dunked on (as well as engaging on the substance)

10-06-2018 , 12:19 PM

#696

kerowo

lolcat

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky

I'm sure this time he'll avoid any problems...

10-06-2018 , 12:26 PM

#697

bundy5

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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky

so bundy saying he won't be like adios is a point in his favor? i don't know the history of bundy's exile, but he seems like a guy who wants to engage, honestly. any chance i'm right about that?

Possibly. But like I said before I'm just about done with politics especially with how it is ran at the moment. Would I like to see my ban lifted? Sure. Would it stop me complaining in ATF? Probably. Would it result in me returning to politics to post? Most likely not. The original post I made I accept I erred. I should have explained myself better as I did in subsequent PMs with Wookie. That carelessness in wording I can accept as a temp ban from politics but permanent and once I explained, definitely not. And again that is putting aside that ridiculous time limit I had to clarify that I wasn't even aware of before I got banned.

10-06-2018 , 01:56 PM

#698

PokerPlayingGamble

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

Given the rabid hostility of politics posters to anyone who does not adhere to the menshevick hivemind (as evidenced by your post above), can you really blame him for not wanting to engage? Why stick around to suffer the predictable barrage of juvenile insults and ad-hominem attacks intermixed with poorly thought out left-liberal talking points?