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01-21-2019 , 06:13 AM
Do you snowflakes ever stop whining? Seriously.
01-21-2019 , 06:19 AM
Hey guys, let's call attention to probably the most abrasive poster in politics, Surely, showing the contrast between him and the average poster, with the exception of maybe FlyWf, won't somehow backfire and illustrate that, no, in fact, the average poster is very polite and not abrasive at all. Unxploitable!

-juan valdez et all, clever and thoughtful people to a man
01-21-2019 , 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Do you snowflakes ever stop whining? Seriously.
Like you guys can't even take a win properly. Daddy Mason came along and told all the mean bullies they weren't allowed to hurt your fee fees any more and you're still not happy.
01-21-2019 , 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
Lol wookie trying to justify whenever he exiles someone.

Question wookie and this will go some way to determining if you are a proper person to be tasked with the turn around of the politics forum and I mean political views don't change overnight but what is your position on anyone who voted for Trump (may not be Trump supporters now or have changed to being Trump supporters from voting for HC or not voting at all).

Are they still ****ing ******s in your mind or do you think what they did was ok but you disagree with what they did?


Not sure if Wookie answered but I'll put it like this:

There was a fine and respectable right-wing candidate in the election, somebody pro-capitalism and pro-markets and pro-military and anti-Neo New Deal policies and anti-Social Democratic policies, who would've made a fine president and is somebody I consider a worthy opponent of my leftist sensibilities. Her name is Hillary Clinton.

Even if we can't say what trump voters wanted when they pulled that lever, we can say what they clearly weren't satisfied with. My list is just a start.
01-21-2019 , 06:44 AM
Sorry pull the band aid off like that for any non-politics-posting-or-reading trump voters and supporters reading this thread but there it is. If USA#1 was a big boy country like other western nations the Dem primary would've been the general election. And as much as you might imagine your fellow Americans don't respect you for it, the citizens of those western nations respect you far, far less.
01-21-2019 , 06:47 AM
I'm just going to put this out there and people can have a think about this, as a proposition, but does anyone else realise how much this site would benefit from a balanced politics forum?

It would not only lend more credibility to this site for potential sponsors (who tend to be more sympathetic to conservative positions re business) but it would have immediate results in increasing the traffic on 2plus2, especially for those who may be lurkers and have that previous background in gambling but now have an even greater passion for politics now (due to Black Friday).

This would be enormously beneficial to a site that is dwindling overall in its popularity (and may I say advertising revenue as I've heard Mason say before).
01-21-2019 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
I realize its annoying and comes across as condescending explaining really simple and obvious things to adults behaving like emotional children. Wookie called me a white supremacist and when asked for evidence he found a post where I point out a completely uncontroversial statistic that there is a massive racial disparity in single parent homes. In the same post I also referenced the uncontroversial fact that single parent homes are disproportionately poor regardless of race. The impact on poverty as a predictor is enormous.
I'm not going to engage in a giant derail, but the bolded is nothing but speculation. Nothing in the data you're citing establishes a direction of causation. For example:

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But even if Washington got rid of all its dumb and ineffective policies to promote marriage and implemented a number of smart ones to do so, it might all be for naught. Some researchers think that marriage — or a lack thereof — is not the real problem facing poor parents; being poor is. “It isn’t that having a lasting and successful marriage is a cure for living in poverty,” says Kristi Williams of Ohio State University. “Living in poverty is a barrier to having a lasting and successful marriage.”

To understand why, it is worth looking at the economic fortunes of the poor in isolation — marriage rates and childbearing out of wedlock aside. Globalization, the decline of labor unions, technological change and other tidal economic forces have battered the poor, with years of economic growth failing to lift their prospects. These forces have inevitably affected young people’s choices, researchers think... And the poor women who do marry tend to have unstable marriages — often to ill effect. One study, for instance, found that single mothers who married and later divorced were worse off economically than those who did not marry at all. “These women revere marriage, they want to get married,” Williams says. “They aren’t making an irrational choice not to marry.”
You're one of those guys who thinks they're some sort of bold truth-teller dropping forbidden knowledge that the sheeple are too weak-minded to contemplate, whereas in fact you haven't even considered the most obvious alternative explanations. There is nothing more arrogant and tedious than that and it drips out of every word of your posts, which is why nobody is interested in reading them.
01-21-2019 , 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
Sometimes and hopefully under this regime that a number of your troublesome posters reflect back and realise how lucky you are to have posters contribute to your forums from the other side when the environment that has been created is less than inviting to do so.
I mean, is this true though? Coming to mind is that time we discussed the SSM vote in Australia and you were like "Children getting raised by gay parents has a negative effect on the children" and I was all "Actually no, here's links to research which uniformly shows that children of gay parents are well-adjusted" and you were like "I'm entitled to my opinion". I'm not sure that contribution brought much value to the table.

I don't want to be too aggressive here because you seem like an OK guy, but can you see how the above is frustrating? You're just dumping untruths into the thread and then refusing to defend them when challenged. It's like having someone abruptly hang up on you.
01-21-2019 , 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Like you guys can't even take a win properly. Daddy Mason came along and told all the mean bullies they weren't allowed to hurt your fee fees any more and you're still not happy.
Um - how were you ever a mod? Wookie can you explain this?
01-21-2019 , 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
I mean, is this true though? Coming to mind is that time we discussed the SSM vote in Australia and you were like "Children getting raised by gay parents has a negative effect on the children" and I was all "Actually no, here's links to research which uniformly shows that children of gay parents are well-adjusted" and you were like "I'm entitled to my opinion". I'm not sure that contribution brought much value to the table.



I don't want to be too aggressive here because you seem like an OK guy, but can you see how the above is frustrating? You're just dumping untruths into the thread and then refusing to defend them when challenged. It's like having someone abruptly hang up on you.
Did I? Or did I say that the research wasn't credible enough to rely on given the sample size at this stage?
01-21-2019 , 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
It would not only lend more credibility to this site for potential sponsors
Hahahahhahaahahahaha oh yeah dude the sponsors who put ads on this site are totally opening the Politics forum and wondering what kind of balance is here, great call, that's totally a real thing

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Originally Posted by bundy5
(who tend to be more sympathetic to conservative positions re business)


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Originally Posted by bundy5
but it would have immediate results in increasing the traffic on 2plus2, especially for those who may be lurkers and have that previous background in gambling but now have an even greater passion for politics now (due to Black Friday).
lol did this post come out of the time machine from 2012?


Well done bundy, this is a ****ing doozy of a post, hard to stack up this much wrong into so few words
01-21-2019 , 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Hahahahhahaahahahaha oh yeah dude the sponsors who put ads on this site are totally opening the Politics forum and wondering what kind of balance is here, great call, that's totally a real thing















lol did this post come out of the time machine from 2012?





Well done bundy, this is a ****ing doozy of a post, hard to stack up this much wrong into so few words
So the current (as in former) politics forum was a net positive for this site, was it?
01-21-2019 , 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
... I point to Well Named often because he is a shining example of someone who I strongly disagree with that demonstrates intelligence. He actually brings to the table research and formulates a detailed POV. ...

Do we have to go see how you responded to him and how he feels about you, back in unchained/p7? We really have to play this game?

Lol nvm. A few posts later:


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Originally Posted by well named
...

My impression is that Juan sincerely holds the views he expresses, but I have often complained to him that he argues badly for them and is frustrating to interact with. ..

...juan isn't just focused on him being a sophist, it's about him being a sophist in support of racist views.

...

heh

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=7971

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Originally Posted by 5ive
In case not everybody has their Well Named-5ive Dictionary handy, "also, frankly" means, "DIE YOU STUPID MOTHER****ER DIE ALREADY".

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01-21-2019 , 07:07 AM
TBH - my opinion has changed on Well Named and wouldn't want him to be a mod of an alternative politics forum now given the shift of the politics forum closer to the ideals he exhibits. It makes him the perfect choice as a moderator of politics but for a moderator of an alternative politics forum it would need to be someone from the centre.
01-21-2019 , 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
Um - how were you ever a mod? Wookie can you explain this?
I'm a (very) long time poster with good standing who has never been infracted let alone banned. I also spend my time here providing quality, amusing, and pithy content and I've never caused a headache for mat (outside of the whole brucez thing which was out of my hands very quickly). I don't (for example) spend my whole time bitching and moaning about a site that I voluntarily choose to post on.
01-21-2019 , 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
TBH - my opinion has changed on Well Named and wouldn't want him to be a mod of an alternative politics forum now given the shift of the politics forum closer to the ideals he exhibits. It makes him the perfect choice as a moderator of politics but for a moderator of an alternative politics forum it would need to be someone from the centre.
Thanks for keeping us updated, this is a valuable opinion that someone is definitely going to listen to someday
01-21-2019 , 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
I'm a (very) long time poster with good standing who has never been infracted let alone banned. I also spend my time here providing quality, amusing, and pithy content and I've never caused a headache for mat (outside of the whole brucez thing which was out of my hands very quickly). I don't (for example) spend my whole time bitching and moaning about a site that I voluntarily choose to post on.
Why does it not surprise me that someone as far left as Wookie hasn't been infracted - probably why you got the gig in the first place.

Just on a side note, what do you think of the current labour party in the UK?
01-21-2019 , 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
So the current (as in former) politics forum was a net positive for this site, was it?
Yes. And btw, it is already balanced. We have everything but Nazis and nazis.
01-21-2019 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
So the current (as in former) politics forum was a net positive for this site, was it?
It is to me. Its a great place to get news on my idiot president and fubar government. It also has a lot of intelligent posters i like to read.

If you go by number of complainers to supporters its not even close.

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01-21-2019 , 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
Why does it not surprise me that someone as far left as Wookie hasn't been infracted - probably why you got the gig in the first place.

Just on a side note, what do you think of the current labour party in the UK?
I got the gig in large part to act as a counter balance to wookie as it was thought that the forum needed an ACist mod. Plus as a UKer I could spamhunt in the off hours when the mighty wook was asleep.

Corbyn rocks on domestic issues but has obvious blinkers in terms of the EU. I think he is tactically misplaying a number of issues but I'll take the 30% shot at an actual left wing government over a dead cert with a Blair 2.0 type.
01-21-2019 , 07:22 AM
tom, weren't you a libertarian for quite awhile in the earlier days of the forum?
01-21-2019 , 07:25 AM
Still am. I stayed true, the world moved around me.
01-21-2019 , 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
Why does it not surprise me that someone as far left as Wookie hasn't been infracted - probably why you got the gig in the first place.

Just on a side note, what do you think of the current labour party in the UK?
Tom & wookie are far left ???

Labour party is good these days. Long may it last.

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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Corbyn rocks on domestic issues but has obvious blinkers in terms of the EU. I think he is tactically misplaying a number of issues but I'll take the 30% shot at an actual left wing government over a dead cert with a Blair 2.0 type.
01-21-2019 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
It is to me. Its a great place to get news on my idiot president and fubar govement. It also has a lot of intelligent posters i like to read.

If you go by number of complainers to supporters its not even close.
This.

And as the moderation has done a good job of removing posters who repeatedly post lies in place of reasoned and supportable arguments (like the poster who's dominated this thread) it's mainly easy to read for a digest of current events.
01-21-2019 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Still am. I stayed true, the world moved around me.
I thought so! So then:

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Originally Posted by bundy5
Why does it not surprise me that someone as far left as Wookie hasn't been infracted - probably why you got the gig in the first place.
LOL bundy, what a clown

      
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