I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to the topic at hand.

And I will not be tolerant of you or anyone else that chooses to **** up this thread with this politics bull**** once again.

Juan,

If you were actually paying attention, you might have seen that Mason's concerns weren't about bias, and the resolution he found acceptable didn't mention it.

mikehaven will be addressing this issue when he gets time. be patient.

Ok so walking up to a group of white kids (and I mean kids literally) who are born and raised in America and obviously have no other citizenship that they don't belong here and to go to Europe isn't racist? OK we have different definitions of racism. I'm playing the "we were here first, go back to..." game in my head and interchanging races, I'm convinced we would find total hypocrisy in your definition of racism there.
So now the MAGA kids were being racist? By smug expressions on their faces? Singing and dancing? The whole thing was recorded. It seems like you have a very narrow definition of racism here and somehow the MAGA kids stepped on one of your eggshells. The MAGA kid in front of the drummer actually called off his friend arguing with the guy telling white people to go back to Europe

I pointed out the fake news aspect of this. Its all on video. Did the Maga kids surround, antagonize, and be racits towards them?
You seem very offended by the MAGA kids "racism" which is of the more mysterious variety and practically yawning at the overt bigotry of the black Israelites. Go look at the animus directed towards the MAGA kids by you here and in P.

I'm looking at what happened in context of the entire event. These aren't "alt-right" narratives. That's hyperbolic. You're strengthening my entire point. All of this is on video, and there's plenty more video. Trying to fabricate a delusional narrative isn't going to make anyone look good

The whole thing kicks off from 1:09:00- 1:14:00

Appreciate it.

That one should go too.

Where are the people who are exiled from Politics supposed to go and say, "Hey there is something seriously wrong in there" or are those ideas we are no longer allowed to publicly express?

I'm sensing some snark here

Since we have your attention, can we add this appearance to the list of times you have declined the opportunity to justify my wrongful temp ban and exile from politics? It might help Mason understand that you aren't biased, you're just a warmhearted and unbiased guy with some snark

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1323

Yeah Mason has declared the politics section a problem to the point he's willing to nuke it. If it's that big of a problem on the forum, then why would you expect there to be limited discussion about it in the ATF section?

Oh and I didn't see the no more politics talk before I responded. Believe me, I'm happy to stop explaining to people what's in a video everyone can see

Exactly - that is the biggest problem. Respect is another word that comes to mind.

Stormfront?

Again if you can't see that bias (particularly from you) has been the cause of why the politics forum has ended up the way it has then you are the one that is delusional and I again question whether you are the proper person to be tasked with changing things for the better.

The Native Americans had a scheduled demonstration there that day. They didn't go seeking this out. I mentioned this in my reply and you ignored it, thus you're arguing in bad faith.

So I'm going to respond to this by quoting what I posted before and that's it because again you're not discussing this in good faith, as you have AGAIN taken it out of context in responding to my post about it being taken out of context.

"If you want to make America great, as a place for just white people, go back to Europe where you came from," is a hell of a lot different than "Go back to Europe where you came from."

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who wants to make America a place for just white people is a horrible human being, and telling them to leave this country is being a lot more polite that I would be.

You're not interested in actually discussing issues or what happened. You're interested in taking five second clips out of context to dunk on the libs. When called out for it, you completely ignore it and just do it again. Posting like that and the derails it causes is a huge part of why the politics forum has been so aggressive in attacking new posters who do that.

Yeah that much should be obvious. The thread happening right now in real time is a shining example. He's cultivated such a biased herd of like-minded people that we can actually watch them stumble around like some drunks competing in the 100m hurdles. Can they ever actually figure out the fake news? Face plant after face plant. At least there's a comedic element to it.

I think they've run the only sensible person out of the thread now. A quick tap but at least they showed up.

It's gone so far off the rails I'm not sure you could bring the forum back. There's only one way to find out. If the forum can't tolerate views from the political center clearly pointing out fake news on video, then you have your answer

You were banned for blatant sexism and trolling, and you received zero leash and immediate exile because I was familiar with your body of work in Unchained. Your MO is trolling, sophistry, smears, and standing up for patriarchy and white supremacy. It's hardly ever worth engaging you because of your tendency to put out a massive pile of bull**** and then claim victory when someone doesn't bother. When you are offered genuine engagement, you are immediate to dismiss your opponent out of hand.

Technically I have the ability to excise all the politics posts to a different thread so as not to annoy R*R, but if I do that gregorio will just delete it, so it doesn't seem worth the effort :P

This is called delusion folks. I posted a longer clip than the original "fake news" to give more context. I just posted a nearly 2 hour live stream that shows even more context

Unfortunately this isn't a place to get in to actual politics or details, so I won't. This is a post about fabricating a delusional narrative and using "alternative facts", which is obvious.

if mrwookie was a reporter, would this be an example of fake news?

you just reminded me. gregorio wants out of this forum, so that will happen now.

and mike haven has already told me he will be creating a new containment thread to alleviate the perversion of this thread.

all this is on the horizon. but for now, carry on.

No to the fake news. But im sure he has some other good qualities. Maybe he is nice to dogs like putin is.

Lol wookie trying to justify whenever he exiles someone.

Question wookie and this will go some way to determining if you are a proper person to be tasked with the turn around of the politics forum and I mean political views don't change overnight but what is your position on anyone who voted for Trump (may not be Trump supporters now or have changed to being Trump supporters from voting for HC or not voting at all).

Are they still ****ing ******s in your mind or do you think what they did was ok but you disagree with what they did?

Hey look, he ignored the part where I pointed out how he took it out of context AGAIN.

You posted a two hour live stream, referenced 5-6 words of it, and are repeatedly ignoring the 10-15 words before it that I keep pointing out to you.

Worst of all, you're doing this to try to get a forum nuked for being a delusional echo chamber that's mean to outsiders, and banking on people just taking you at your word and not actually reading any of it and realizing what's going on.

OK, if we're allowed to pervert the usual course of this thread, then I'll chip in by seconding this point:

The rhetorical purpose is entirely different.

(n.b. I haven't paid any attention to this event, I don't think it's very important in its details, and it also seems like there's a lot of risk to over-analyzing people's off-the-cuff statements in a heated exchange. But still.)

Juan has an infraction on his account that links to Juan's last posts in Politics that Mat can review for all its context if he wishes.

Bundy, how many posts do you have in Politics, and roughly how many years were you there as an active participant?

Care to explain why posters like fly haven't been exiled long ago for blatant and constant abuse?

Funny how my question about posters like fly answers this question.