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Right, but I was referring to broad historical trends and the comparison between the US and other countries in relative terms, not the rise of Le Pen and Brexit et al. I'm mainly talking about how Bernie was viewed as a radical leftist and the rest of the world said, uh, wat?

Bernie's radicalism was less a matter of his fairly standard social democratic policy proposals and more his lack of connection to the Democratic Party political infrastructure. Since this infrastructure is what provides most of the continuity between presidential administrations, I don't think it is inaccurate to have regarded him as fairly radical in 2016. Obviously things have changed since then as Bernie is no longer a fringe figure in the Democratic Party.

To some extent, this same lack of connection to a party is what we are seeing play out in global concerns about the reliability of Trump.

01-21-2019 , 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by commas,are,funny

This will be my last post on the topic, and it's directed I suppose more to the management and lurkers rather than the regulars and moderators, who have proven themselves unaffectable by reason ("inert" even). The quoted post was not "hilarious", it was stupid and pointless, and was made by a proudly rude and anti-intellectual poster with a history of clogging up threads with useless, content-free posts. He's certainly entitled to try to bring down the level of discussion as usual, but it's quickly followed by this moderator who gives a "thumbs up" to it--go ahead, that's what we like to see! The other moderators, wookie and goofyballer, behave the exact same way. They will readily ban an outsider who they disagree with for minutiae. They create a truly terrible forum, and wonder why they get negative feedback. My experience is the experience of all posters who wish to post freely and respectfully, and this is why they're all gone.

Yeah, he definitely mad.

01-21-2019 , 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by well named

Since Mike Haven promised that almost anything would go in this thread, I'm not planning on moderating it heavily, although perhaps it would be better if I did. I dunno, it wasn't my idea.

But I will arbitrarily and capriciously moderate posts if I think they are too far over the line, just fwiw. Please direct all complaints to the ATF politics thread containment thread in French BBV.

It should be noted that my gimmick account is still the moderator of French BBV.

01-21-2019 , 01:39 PM

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01-21-2019 , 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysFolding

fixé

01-21-2019 , 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysFolding

Finally. It’s about damn time.

01-21-2019 , 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bundy5

Well since I'm exiled I only heard about AOC through the Ms OOT contest but you probably didn't want to hear that.

It had come to my attention. You are frequently honoured in P

01-21-2019 , 02:13 PM

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ChrisV

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Originally Posted by bundy5

Did I? Or did I say that the research wasn't credible enough to rely on given the sample size at this stage?

lol, well let's go to the tape?

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Originally Posted by bundy5

And it is not because I'm against them getting that equal right as hetro couples do to adopt but it is more because it is quite clear that on average a child's upbringing is going to be much more enriching if it has a male and female parent in its life (which you can see whenever these custody cases come to the courts that they will always try to keep a parent in a child's life even if it is quite limited and they can only have supervised visits with their child).

Now, as I said these rights for gay couples existed before marriage was legalised for them, but that legalisation of their relationship will mean many of them will be encouraged enough to adopt a child as a result and as I've said this may not be in the eventual best interests of the child and can lead to those problems that I have mentioned before.

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Originally Posted by ChrisV

Bundy its traditional before declaring something "quite clear" to check whether it is in fact true. Here's Wikipedia on the subject of gay parents:

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Scientific research consistently shows that gay and lesbian parents are as fit and capable as heterosexual parents, and their children are as psychologically healthy and well-adjusted as those reared by heterosexual parents. Major associations of mental health professionals in the U.S., Canada, and Australia have not identified credible empirical research that suggests otherwise.

I know you're not going to buy this, because you're a bigot. If you don't like that label, feel free to suggest other reasons why you wouldn't accept the consensus of mental health professionals on this subject. Is ignoring scientific consensus just something you routinely do?

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Originally Posted by bundy5

Maybe its because it is possible that I can hold an opposing view and there just isn't one view that can be held (40% of the respondents to that survey suggest that I'm right).

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Originally Posted by ChrisV

Lol at "quite clear" and then the hasty retreat into "I'm entitled to my opinion that 2+2=5" when challenged. I think we're done here. Quite symbolic imo that I have just boarded a flight the **** out of Queensland.

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Originally Posted by bundy5

I'm just trying to understand - I'm a bigot because I hold an opposing view on gay marriage that the majority of Australians hold and the rest of that 40% of other Australians should be labelled the same as well? I mean I appreciate that the left are usually arrogant and self-centred but I'm pretty sure that this categorisation tops that.

Assert something is "quite clear", have it challenged with sourced information, basically tell me you don't give a ****.

Edit: That's the SE politics thread, but same principle.

01-21-2019 , 02:49 PM

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Mason has told the politics mods to crack down while the exiled people are giving good reviews about the politics mods being so tough already.

01-21-2019 , 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by will1530

Perhaps a currently exiled poster who doesn’t know how to keep his accounts straight?

Would not think its him. But by saying he knows the name of the previously banned poster he lets the cat out of the bag. Not that the cat was deep in there or anything.

Speaking of cats its interesting someone who was just trying to preserve the group so they could continue a community got ghosted but someone who goes into that community and popular forum on 2p2 to f it up gets nada in comparison. That is messed up.

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Originally Posted by 6ix

It's this, and ultimately why the 'attack the idea, not the poster' rule and other derivations will always be an obfuscation. In other words, nobody actually give a **** about personal attacks. They're easily brushed off. But attacking the ideas is a bridge too far, because their ideas are their children, their precious little babies. And just to solidify the analogy a bit, the parents here can attest that it'd be much more disturbing to see their child called a 'dumb mother****er' or some such than it would be for they themselves.

Ive done this. The personal attacks always come even when just attacking the argument in my experience. I can be a bit of an ass sometimes though so they were probably deserved.

01-21-2019 , 03:03 PM

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01-21-2019 , 03:04 PM

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01-21-2019 , 03:07 PM

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01-21-2019 , 03:08 PM

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01-21-2019 , 03:09 PM

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AlwaysFolding, making ATF politics great again.

01-21-2019 , 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by will1530

AlwaysFolding, making ATF politics great again.

01-21-2019 , 03:13 PM

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Last edited by AlwaysFolding; 01-21-2019 at 03:13 PM. Reason: plz don't ban me for multiposting the mey-meys

01-21-2019 , 03:19 PM

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El Lobo Gordo

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Originally Posted by batair

Would not think its him. But by saying he knows the name of the previously banned poster he lets the cat out of the bag. Not that the cat was deep in there or anything.

I did not bring up these non-banned posters. You guys were talking about them and touting them as shining examples of good conservative posters who did not get exiled or banned(but apparently driven off). I offered an explanation on why a very few number of conservative posters would not be banned and in the process I repeated the names you guys touted. To say this, "lets the cat out of the bag" is a pretty huge leap, really huge actually.

I was kinda hoping Jman220 or MrWookie would take a crack at showing this argument I made is wrong. If my accusations and conclusions are unfounded, I'd like someone to point out my error instead of just calling me a troll and then exiling me.

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Originally Posted by El Lobo Gordo

Jman220

I am glad you posted this because you are now admitting that I was banned because I dared to raise a red flag and say, "Hey there is something seriously wrong with the politics forum". Pointing out that something has gone too far is not trolling.

This, in a nutshell, is the argument I raise.
1. If twoplustwo harbors a hate group it should stop.
2. If a subforum on twoplus satisfies the definition of a hate group, it can be said to be a hate group.
3. The politics subforum is harbored by twoplustwo
3. The politics forum satisfies the definition of a hate group as evidenced by exhibit A, B, and C.
Conclusion: The politics subforum on twoplustwo should be shut down.

Instead of attacking the argument, I got attacked. People were called in to generate memes to trainwreck the discussion. The thread was quickly locked. The title of the thread was changed to demonize me. After being called out for changing the title of the thread, the thread was deleted.

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01-21-2019 , 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by El Lobo Gordo

I did not bring up these non-banned posters. You guys were talking about them so I offered an explanation on why a very few number of conservative posters would not be banned. To say this, "lets the cat out of the bag" is a pretty huge leap.

I was kinda hoping Jman220 or MrWookie would take a crack at showing this argument I made is wrong. If my accusations and conclusions are unfounded, I'd like someone to point out my error instead of just calling me a troll and then exiling me.

Gordo,

I will address your arguments when you tell us which previously banned user you are.

Regards,

—jman220

01-21-2019 , 03:24 PM

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01-21-2019 , 03:26 PM

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I'm confused why a thread in P containing perfectly reasonable dialogue just had to be shut down because a first time poster just threatened to doxx participants in the thread.

Is this the correct place to ask?

Also don't think the post should have been deleted. People have a right to know that they've been threatened like that.

01-21-2019 , 03:30 PM

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What do you think?

01-21-2019 , 03:32 PM

#323

El Lobo Gordo

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Originally Posted by jman220

Gordo,

I will address your arguments when you tell us which previously banned user you are.

Regards,

—jman220

The details of my life have have no connection to what is wrong with the politics sub-forum and why it can be said to be a hate group. To be honest, you're beginning to sound like Trump asking Obama to produce his birth certificate.

Address the issue instead of throwing out red herrings please.

01-21-2019 , 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysFolding

What do you think?

I'm not sure, that's why I asked.

And might I mention that your response, while clever and kind of funny, seems to be making fun of me a bit. Please do know that this is hurtful and not at all nice.