LOL, you are so bad at this Mr. December 2018 join date who can name all the old politics conservative regulars. Where does the brown trout sleep, amirite? In case anyone isn’t sure exactly what is going on here, here’s a timeline of totally not previously IP-banned Fat Wolf and his concern trolling:

1. El Lobo Gordo, joins the 2+2 forums in December of 2018, a good decade after the end of the poker boom, and makes a beeline for the politics forum. Again, this is a poster who decided to join a poker publishing website solely to head for it's politics forum.

2. Gordo starts making a series of classic troll posts that result in increased levels of warnings and infractions from myself and Wookie including several PM exchanges. They are exactly the types of posts that a troll knows will eventually lead to a banning.

3. Gordo is finally banned after numerous warnings. Right on cue, he immediately heads to About the Forums to start a classic "lets ***** about politics" thread and compare the politics subforum to a hate group. Again, this is a poster that has been here for a month who knows to immediately head to About the Forums.

4. Around the same time Gordo in some fashion contacts Mason Malmuth. How it is apparent to someone who is brand new, has no apparent poker background or any knowledge of 2+2 publishing beyond it's politics forum and has been posting for less than a month that the person to contact is Mason is a strange coincidence.

5. And finally, Gordo starts private messaging other previously exiled posters encouraging them to join in on the thread. These are posters who were exiled months or years ago, long before Gordo joined. There is no reasonable way that Gordo could have known who to contact, and yet he does.

Lol wookie’s student. I was a politics mod before Wookie ever was.

This isn’t the politics forum, and I’m not a moderator here.

Regards,

—jman220

Lol I am legit curious who you are now. Come on, tell us... I have some theories.

Edit: If I guess, will you tell me?

Surprisingly quite centre or centre right that Blair was. Was it the Iraq War which really did it?

But thoughts anyway?

So you didn't learn anything from him in your absence?

Not sure you'll be able to keep a secret though

Lol Juan, criticizing my criticism of a literal nazi salute is not a good look for you and kind of gives way the ball game.

Ultimately the reason you guys will never be satisfied despite getting pretty much everything you ever asked for (new mods, different rules, a whole forum just for you) is that you're not being honest with us or yourselves about what you really want. It's obviously not about civility (you guys are some of the worst in that regard) it's that you want your views to be respected. You want people to nod sagely along with your pronouncements about black fatherhood or whatever, maybe to disagree but ultimately to take your views seriously. As presumably well off white males you still get plenty of unearned deference in the real world because most of your interactions are likely in customer service situations but that same deference is missing here and it irks you utterly.

Basically, no amount of Mason finger wagging is going to make me respect your opinions. No matter the tameness or civility of my language my contempt for your views will always come across. You're never going to get the rousing round of applause you "deserve" for your bold contrarian opinions. It's long past time to move on.

lol u mad

lol he mad

or this. ^

lol we all mad for reading it

I can confirm that I want civil debate along side it being respectful (which are basically the same thing) but I want tolerate debate too.

I don't want it that people with opposing views can be shouted down with little to no substantive argument by posters who hold the majority view in the forums.

Not sure this is asking for much is it?

And btw this whole idea of banning new accounts that are believed to be gimmicks set up by existing members to troll the majority view is farcical as the only way things are going to change is for new members to be let in. I'm sure that it is going to take quite a bit of time for members that had left politics for its toxic posting environment to be confident that things have actually changed.

It's this, and ultimately why the 'attack the idea, not the poster' rule and other derivations will always be an obfuscation. In other words, nobody actually give a **** about personal attacks. They're easily brushed off. But attacking the ideas is a bridge too far, because their ideas are their children, their precious little babies. And just to solidify the analogy a bit, the parents here can attest that it'd be much more disturbing to see their child called a 'dumb mother****er' or some such than it would be for they themselves.

Yeah, it is. It assumes that you are owed interaction on your terms regardless of the content of your posts.

I don’t comment on other moderator’s decisions outside of my forum.

Regards,

—jman220

See, this is why Clovis was definitely wrong about getting rid of these types of responses. This was ****ing hilarious.

No, from the very beginning. I was a very reluctant voter for him first time but did because I was just about swayed by the arguments against refusing to. I think I got that wrong.

The Iraq war was in a different league. I like to see him on trial over some of that.

Like, I did that same 'lol u mad/lol he mad' bit with Commas in the stickied P thread and he got more mad, and then Jman deleted the whole mess, which was a wise modding decision and why he gets paid the big bux.

But, like, where do you even begin with a post like that? You don't need to be a political scientist or well read (hell, some of my favorite observations are from non-well read but very clever and thoughtful people) to post in politics. The bar is really low and should be, but there are at least a dozen tells in that post alone that show he doesn't have a clue as to what he's talking about. Not that he has the 'bad' or 'wrong' politics, but that he doesn't grasp fundamental definitions and terms.

Even that isn't a problem (though I personally don't have the patience anymore to politely explain things) by itself but the deadly duo is being stone ignorant whilst also be brazenly self-assured about your non-ignorance. And again, I'm not talking about the beliefs in concepts, I'm talking about the concepts themselves. Like, just broadly explaining what the axes on the political compass mean or similar things.

TL;DR - It's ****ing disturbing that a bunch of people seem to sincerely believe Hillary supporters are the far fringe left.

Perhaps ignore is a better option for you then

Heh, like I just said I do approve of your decision to delete it from the stickied thread though, to keep the tone SRS BIZ.

But I saw Commas post another screed and thought, hey, don't let a good bit go to waste.

Trumpism is a local variant on a global phenomenon, it is not unique to the US.

This might well be the biggest strength of the Politics forum. It's usually my first stop if something major happens. The regs will aggregate relevant articles, videos, photos, tweets, background information etc. from across the web. That's pretty neat.