Does this next one get me to "even close"?

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...stcount=118319

Was this post ever reported and if so was anything done about it?

No, and I'm not sure you understand the problems with your argument.

That said, one reason I chose to engage on this rather than just ignore you is because I actually think there is at least some value in highlighting posts like that -- and I think these are legitimately deserving of moderation. Just like there's some validity to other complaints about the forum, i.e. around it being very hostile in general.

I think you would have a more reasonable request if you simply said you thought people should avoid making statements like that and that moderation should discourage it, rather than this silly argument about hate groups and closing the forum. Especially when the posts in question are intentionally hyperbolic/ironic, which I think is clear in the last couple cases. Rep_lol and skydiver are not about to commit hate crimes, and anyone who has read a lot of their posts in context would have no doubt about that. Context is important to meaning. Sometimes someone exclaims "I'm going to kill him!" and yet it's obvious they have no actual intention of doing anyone any harm.

Nevertheless, I think there are good reasons to avoid posts like that even ironically in this context, just like it's good to have rules against people telling others to die in a grease fire and the like. So I don't mind pointing this sort of thing out and suggesting that it be moderated. People should feel free to report posts like that. But it's one thing to argue that people should censor themselves a bit more given the political climate and another to compare those same people to neo-nazis.

If a neo-nazis asked that his speech be considered hyperbolic, I don't think you would accept that. You'd ban him if he made a crack like, "I'd kill no less than ten...for a chance to hear....." even if you knew he was kidding. And you should ban him.

One of the points that I am making is the politics sub-forum is so homogeneous in its views that expressing support for violence against conservatives, even if it is in jest, goes un-noticed. If its reported, nothing is done about it. If its not reported, what does that say about the posters as a whole? Why is it that way?

I'd like you to answer this tough question. Do you think Mrwookie and Jman220 should step down as moderators of that forum?

If I knew someone to be a neo-nazi I would just ban them. The people whose posts you are quoting are not neo-nazis, obviously.

No.

Please don't use the word "deplorable". It's insulting, and you will get P shut down if continuing. Satisfied then?

I think Mason is sensitive for words, knowing their potential, a bit like me. Think about the profanity filter for example.

Mat has already said deplorable is fair game. Thanks for your concern.

To be clear that's only as long as that authority remains delegated to me. Mason may feel differently. I just feel like that particular word doesn't have any meaningful sting at this point. Not to mention my distaste for censoring most words in general.

Would you be willing to participate in a discussion on the merits or lack thereof of censoring political slurs once the "Hate-group" discussion winds down? I have a distaste for censoring most words and a couple years back I would have agreed with your position 100%. It's different now though.

i already did participate in that discussion. it's happening right now. so far one person agrees with you.

I have refrained from responding to your post on the matter because I was/am involved in another discussion. I also felt you weren't interested in further discussion. At some point I'd like to resurrect that topic.

Hi Mat,

Why is an obviously banned poster being allowed to go on a 1 man atf crusade to kill one of our subforums, not to mention grossly attack a community that has been part of 2+2 for a very long time? I thought circumventing a ban was one of those infractions that gets your account auto nuked?

i leave those decisions in the hands of the other moderators. they can ban him if they feel it's justified.

Mike Haven, Bluegrassplayer, well named

those guys, though i don't think bluegrass is a real moderator in this forum.

Well, how about... statist, snowflake, SJW, politically correct. Do you want to censor peeps being called these things too, in addition to deplorable?

How about racist, liberal, conservative, Donkey, Elephant, socialist, Communist, Nazi, baseball player... do you think it's cool to call peeps who haven't explicitly declared "I am X" to be called any of these Xs?

Excluding membership groups (ex: registered Donkey, ACLU dues payer)... in your opinion is it ever OK to call any peep any name they don't explicitly self identify with?

How about he, him, she, her, they/etc. Do you feel it's ok to use these kinda pronouns to reference other peeps against their expressed wishes?

My biggest disagreement with you on this issue is that I think a no insult rule helps people be more honest and open about their views whereas you think it makes them less honest.

Well if i am disagreeing with you i am probably doing it wrong. Still a no insult rule loses posters who's opinions i value. Some good posters in pol wont make the cut.

No doubt. I'd just say it's easy to miss the opportunity cost of the brutal honesty of insults. I also think people mistake the heightened passion that comes with open conflict for authenticity.

Reminder: this isn't an LC politics thread. I think the einbert/communism/antifa derail should end.

Like all politics threads in ATF, the usefulness of this one to actually discuss something ATF-related ended a long time ago.

In terms of threads to discuss people whining about Politics though, this was an all-timer imo. The best one yet.

counterpoint:

one down juan to go

What's with the yellow name? I thought super mods were orange. Or was it pink? **** I don't know.

Yellow is the color of shame and is reserved for disgraced posters.

Solid

The fact that there are many places online where discourse is much worse, some of them identified like the Corvette and Chief's forum, others widely known like Breitbart etc, yet the crusade is here...not emploring fellow like-minded folks to be kinder to libtards tells you everything you need to know about the real motivations. I can't recall seeing a right winger ever asking another right winger to tone it down anywhere, ever.

Maybe the complainers here can link some posts they have made in other forums they participate in asking for kinder discourse toward left-leaning posters?

Shut your whore mouth!