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01-21-2019 , 08:11 PM
Interesting, the meme seems to tell a different story

01-21-2019 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
you want tolerate debate over whether gays and minorities should get the same rights as everyone else. it doesnt work that way. your views are hateful and you deserve to be treated as such.
Yeah - I suppose you don't have much tolerance for religious views or any opposing views for that matter. Open your eyes. There is a reason Trump won.
01-21-2019 , 08:13 PM
Open your eyes: your views are not necessarily the views of other people who look, talk, and walk like yo-

...waaaaaaaaaait a minute.
01-21-2019 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
Lol Juan, criticizing my criticism of a literal nazi salute is not a good look for you and kind of gives way the ball game.
You freaked out over 14 year olds making a salute/hand gesture they likely had little understanding. It's definitely worse than the nazi pug, but get a hold of yourself. maybe take a few deep breathes before losing your mind over 14 year olds making hand gestures. As I predicted yesterday, there was actual bigotry on display and nobody cared. As it became obvious the 16 year olds didn't surround the indigenous man or chant "build a wall" as reported, the animosity towards the 16 year olds didn't die down on 2p2. Out of the 3 groups involved, they displayed the most liberal behavior and they were the kids. All the animosity is still directed at them. Not even a yawn from the "liberals" about the actual bigotry they witnessed.

I think everyone is really impressed with how virtuous you are for hating nazis and how morally superior you are to 14 year olds. I think everyone should gather around and give you some applause

It's really transparent
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
What's infuriating is that the bundy and juan valdez types have a sympathetic ear from Mason despite proving in this thread and other ATF threads about Politics that they are completely undeserving of it.

Regular posters don't want balance in the Politics forum because a well-balanced discussion isn't desirable if eating bull**** is needed to maintain it.
I don't think it's going to work either. I've been suggesting 2p2 just be real and re label it a left wing community and let it continue as is. The community is far to intolerant for anything else imo. Only one way to find out I guess
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Originally Posted by whosnext
Nobody doubts that many of these people feel aggrieved and many (most/all?) racists don't like being called racist.

Nevertheless, catering to those feelings is far down the list of important criteria for a well-functioning politics forum on 2+2.
I actually think it's the opposite. I suspect racists don't really care about being called racist. 2p2 has this hysteria of posters thinking the forum was full of closet nazi's. It's weird and paranoid. Look at a radical like Einbert. He's openly communist and in ANTIFA. Both of those things are incredibly stupid and radical. Those ideologies and behavior self select for stupidity, that's why he doesn't feel the need to hide it, he's just that dumb

Also in case we were wondering what actual racism on 2p2 looks like, unsurprisingly we can find it with a member of the political left community who's in good standing. This is directed at a poster he knew to be Korean. Its definitely the most racist thing I've seen directed at another poster on 2p2. None of the "liberals" seemed to care

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=13653

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=13691

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=13676

Last edited by juan valdez; 01-21-2019 at 08:27 PM.
01-21-2019 , 08:15 PM
i don't mind this thread being here. i won't be reading it much or participating. the other atf mods can do whatever they like with it. and if i get even a handful of reports that seem legit it will go away.
01-21-2019 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
rara was actually old and never listened to facts. I would go with him being sick or dead over just stopping his posting in the Obamacare thread suddenly.
he was also an engineer that was absolutely atrocious at math. like the dude didnt just make an addition error, he proved that he lacked fundamental understanding of numbers. an invention of his proly killed him bc he couldnt do percentages.

or he killed someone else and got hauled off to jail.
01-21-2019 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
You freaked out over 14 year olds making a salute/hand gesture they likely had little understanding. It's definitely worse than the nazi pug, but get a hold of yourself. maybe take a few deep breathes before losing your mind over 14 year olds making hand gestures. As I predicted yesterday, there was actual bigotry on display and nobody cared. As it became obvious the 16 year olds didn't surround the indigenous man or chant "build a wall" as reported, the animosity towards the 16 year olds didn't die down on 2p2. Out of the 3 groups involved, they displayed the most liberal behavior and they were the kids. All the animosity is still directed at them. Not even a yawn from the "liberals" about the actual bigotry they witnessed. I think everyone is really impress with how virtuous you are for hating nazis and how morally superior you are to 14 year olds. I think everyone should gather around and give you some applause

It's really transparent

I don't think it's going to work either. I've been suggesting 2p2 just be real and re label it a left wing community and let it continue as is. The community is far to intolerant for anything else imo. Only one way to find out I guess

I actually think it's the opposite. I suspect racists don't really care about being called racist. 2p2 has this hysteria of posters thinking the forum was full of closet nazi's. It's weird and paranoid. Look at a radical like Einbert. He's openly communist and in ANTIFA. Both of those things are incredibly stupid and radical. Those ideologies and behavior self select for stupidity, that's why he doesn't feel the need to hide it, he's just that dumb

Also in case we were wondering what actual racism on 2p2 looks like, unsurprisingly we can find it with a member of the political left community who's in good standing. This is directed at a poster he knew to be Korean. Its definitely the most racist thing I've seen directed at another poster on 2p2. None of the "liberals" seemed to care

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=13653


https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=13680

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=13691

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=13676
Counterpoint: 14 year old’s know right from wrong and 14 year old’s saluting the man who killed 6 million of my people can get ****ed. As a corrolary, a poster who thinks that giving a nazi salute “is no big deal” can also get bent and isn’t posting in any forum that I volunteer moderate. And as a final point, I am 100 percent confident that Mason Malmuth does not agree with your viewpoint that giving a nazi salute is “no big deal.” Why don’t you PM him and complain that I’m being to harsh with people who are defending a nazi salute and see where you end up?

Regards,

—jman220

And to beat anybody to the punch: Yeah, I mad.
01-21-2019 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
No being a snowflake for me.

If you can't already tell by my persistence in bringing this to the forum's attention in ATF then you will realise that I wouldn't be backing down from any debate.

Problem is, as I and now Mason has made the point of, is the moderation in that forum and the inconsistent application of the rules don't allow me to do this.

And like I've said before that because of this there is only one meaning that correlates with the term snowflake and that is (or was) your whole forum and how it has been moderated in such a way to shut out opposing views to give you all the protection of any hint of real criticism.
this is flat out wrong. the reason you guys get banned is bc you post racist stuff. its that simple.

mason agrees with you. maybe. but mason also thinks that robert e lee was a great man when he is one of the all time worst human beings to walk the earth. certainly he is top 5 in worst americans.
01-21-2019 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
Counterpoint: 14 year old’s know right from wrong and 14 year old’s saluting the man who killed 6 million of my people can get ****ed. As a corrolary, a poster who thinks that giving a nazi salute “is no big deal” can also get bent and isn’t posting in any forum that I volunteer moderate. And as a final point, I am 100 percent confident that Mason Malmuth does not agree with your viewpoint that giving a nazi salute is “no big deal.” Why don’t you PM him and complain that I’m being to harsh with people who are defending a nazi salute and see where you end up?

Regards,

—jman220

And to beat anybody to the punch: Yeah, I mad.
It would be a big deal if it were my child, friend, etc

Its a minor deal to witness a photo of a 14 year old making a stupid hand gesture on the internet. To the point you should have taken a few deep breathes before you misdirected your rage at the wrong person. Your lack of emotion at witnessing actual adults behaving in a deeply bigoted manner yesterday is still noted
01-21-2019 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
It would be a big deal if it were my child, friend, etc

Its a minor deal to witness a photo of a 14 year old making a stupid hand gesture on the internet. To the point you should have taken a few deep breathes before you misdirected your rage at the wrong person. Your lack of emotion at witnessing actual adults behaving in a deeply bigoted manner yesterday is still noted
And, in once again demonstrating why he is exiled from the politics forum, upon the opening of a new politics thread in ATF, it takes Juan Valdez (checks notes) less than 24 hours to go full nazi apologist.
01-21-2019 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jman220
And, in once again demonstrating why he is exiled from the politics forum, upon the opening of a new politics thread in ATF, it takes Juan Valdez (checks notes) less than 24 hours to go full nazi apologist.
Although 14 year olds have a better understanding of world history than pugs, determining the 14 year old kids to be nazi's is a stretch. Yes it's possible, but most likely they were semi clueless and mischievous

Kind of like your reaction to a photo of 14 year olds yesterday, describing this as "to go full nazi apologist" is hyperbolic
01-21-2019 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
No being a snowflake for me.

If you can't already tell by my persistence in bringing this to the forum's attention in ATF then you will realise that I wouldn't be backing down from any debate.
That's good to hear. In that case, I'd love to read your reply to this:

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Originally Posted by ChrisV
I mean, is this true though? Coming to mind is that time we discussed the SSM vote in Australia and you were like "Children getting raised by gay parents has a negative effect on the children" and I was all "Actually no, here's links to research which uniformly shows that children of gay parents are well-adjusted" and you were like "I'm entitled to my opinion". I'm not sure that contribution brought much value to the table.

I don't want to be too aggressive here because you seem like an OK guy, but can you see how the above is frustrating? You're just dumping untruths into the thread and then refusing to defend them when challenged. It's like having someone abruptly hang up on you.
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Originally Posted by bundy5
Did I? Or did I say that the research wasn't credible enough to rely on given the sample size at this stage?
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
lol, well let's go to the tape?











Assert something is "quite clear", have it challenged with sourced information, basically tell me you don't give a ****.

Edit: That's the SE politics thread, but same principle.
01-21-2019 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky
i don't mind this thread being here. i won't be reading it much or participating. the other atf mods can do whatever they like with it. and if i get even a handful of reports that seem legit it will go away.
Ok. I'm not sure why this thread was created to begin with but I guess Haven can decide what to do with it.
01-21-2019 , 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
That's good to hear. In that case, I'd love to read your reply to this:
What the fact that 40% who voted against SSM were wrong to do so?
01-21-2019 , 08:58 PM
No. Your reason for voting against same sex marriage seems to be a made up thing about child rearing.
01-21-2019 , 08:58 PM
The world must be a terrifying place for you jman. I'd feel bad if your blanket was taken away.
01-21-2019 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by auralex14
The world must be a terrifying place for you jman. I'd feel bad if your blanket was taken away.


Yet quite a lot of derision about him not acknowledging those 4 scary black guys.
01-21-2019 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
What the fact that 40% who voted against SSM were wrong to do so?
LOL.

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Originally Posted by prana
No. Your reason for voting against same sex marriage seems to be a made up thing about child rearing.
This, obv.
01-21-2019 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
No. Your reason for voting against same sex marriage seems to be a made up thing about child rearing.
That's one reason but not the major reason being that I value overwhelmingly the traditional definition of marriage being a man and a woman. I'll give gay couples civil union though which brings all the same rights. Just not marriage.
01-21-2019 , 09:03 PM
I'm trying to figure out why bundy thinks results of a vote have anything to do with research findings. Or did I read that exchange wrong?
01-21-2019 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by lol_at_you
I'm trying to figure out why bundy thinks results of a vote have anything to do with research findings. Or did I read that exchange wrong?
Research really had nothing to do with it. The only research that mattered that I could see was the reference to other countries that had passed similar laws recently.
01-21-2019 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by auralex14
The world must be a terrifying place for you jman. I'd feel bad if your blanket was taken away.
Hi - I don't know anything about you and don't want to judge in advance. If you wouldn't mind, could you tell me when was the last time that a major economic, military and political power made an earnest and sincere attempt to exterminate as many people sharing your ethnic background as they could?
01-21-2019 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
That's one reason but not the major reason being that I value overwhelmingly the traditional definition of marriage being a man and a woman. I'll give gay couples civil union though which brings all the same rights. Just not marriage.


Well you can scratch it off your list because it’s just made up.

That comment after lol post is gold. Research? Research?
01-21-2019 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
That's one reason but not the major reason being that I value overwhelmingly the traditional definition of marriage being a man and a woman. I'll give gay couples civil union though which brings all the same rights. Just not marriage.
Just from having seen the way you post in ATF, I always suspected that you were deserving of your Politics exile, but couldn't be certain, as I rarely read the forum. Thanks for confirming my suspicions.

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Originally Posted by bundy5
Research really had nothing to do with it. The only research that mattered that I could see was the reference to other countries that had passed similar laws recently.
Wow. Just, wow.
01-21-2019 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
Well you can scratch it off your list because it’s just made up.

That comment after lol post is gold. Research? Research?
Yeah - come back to me in 20 years and I'll be willing to have this debate with you. Until then I'll sit back and watch and of course read the occasional study on the social effects of SSM.

      
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