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12-20-2017 , 10:58 AM
Bahbah, by "shouted down", you mean a chorus tells you you're wrong.

You just had a very cordial discussion in that thread with multiple people. There are only two posters in that thread who exhibit the kind of personal aggression that is standard in P (plus the very recent interloper), and neither of them posts there regularly anymore.

Are you banned from SMP and BFI? Afaiu you might enjoy majority status in one if not both of those threads. If you post elsewhere looking for more of a contest, then why complain when you receive one?
12-20-2017 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
Whats to stop someone from playing a ww turbo and then posting in the politics thread.
Your barrier to entry is super low, so enforcing a nativist pog politics policy just doesn't work the way you want it to work.

What you really need is a firewall to keep the non poggers out.
Because it's hard to get turbos to run.
12-20-2017 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by prana
bahbah poses as a financial planner yet didn't know what marginal tax rates were.
that was truly amazing. not really sure anything can top that.

but ole mickey sure tried in the pog thread recently.

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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I understand why you would disagree with my thinking that a large part of the reason income inequality goes up is because of basic investing strategies, but it isn't like that isn't a factor. Non-rich people are not smart investors and tend to invest way too much in cash & real estate.






I agree that if someone makes less money they tend to have less disposable income.



I wise man once said that for the majority of people the cost of living is ALL OF IT. aka: A lot of people making $40k live off of $40k and when they get a raise they live off of $45k. Most don't adjust how much they save (except in company retirement plans which is often automatic).



There is no doubt that money given to someone with a lower income is more likely to be spent than someone with a higher income. However, I see no proof that this fact somehow means the velocity of money will increase or that this will be a positive economic outcome.
2nd bolded in particular is just like, jaw dropping. and well, ya, first is too.
12-20-2017 , 11:21 AM
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12-20-2017 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by biggerboat
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You could distract yourself with my express sheep revealing tonight. That goes for everyone, regardless of political persuasion.
12-20-2017 , 11:28 AM
Arguing with a wealth adviser who doesn't know how marginal tax rates work seems pointless.
12-20-2017 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
You could distract yourself with my express sheep revealing tonight. That goes for everyone, regardless of political persuasion.
I entered it!
12-20-2017 , 12:06 PM
how long does it take to play one of these games?
12-20-2017 , 12:15 PM
Sheep takes maybe two minutes
12-20-2017 , 12:36 PM
i assume there are sticky post instructions for those who never participated?
12-20-2017 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky
i assume there are sticky post instructions for those who never participated?
extensive

sheep/other games sticky

werewolf sticky
12-20-2017 , 12:49 PM
Mat, didn't you threaten to fire your employees because of Obamacare? And lie that helping get some R Senator elected would get us online poker back because you liked his other ideology anyway? Unless I am thinking of someone else, you are a conservative who is embarrassed by what the conservative party in America has become. BOIDS post is 100% correct.
12-20-2017 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
Mat, didn't you threaten to fire your employees because of Obamacare? And lie that helping get some R Senator elected would get us online poker back because you liked his other ideology anyway? Unless I am thinking of someone else, you are a conservative who is embarrassed by what the conservative party in America has become. BOIDS post is 100% correct.
you have the facts mostly wrong, but even if you didn't i'm not sure what that has to do with this thread.
12-20-2017 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by biggerboat
I entered it!
That's what I get for phone posting.

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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky
i assume there are sticky post instructions for those who never participated?
Link

It's about as easy as it can be. Just try to give the most popular answer (like Family Feud/Fortunes).
12-20-2017 , 01:04 PM
is there any reason i should personally abstain from these games?
12-20-2017 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky
you have the facts mostly wrong, but even if you didn't i'm not sure what that has to do with this thread.
It is regarding your claim that you are a neutral poster observing some bias. You would be considered very conservative in Euroland, but you self-selected out of posting in defense of Rs in the current environment. Ikes was a very conservative poster, he self perma-banned because he was so embarrassed that Rs nominated Donald Trump. As BOIDS said, the "good conservative posters" have self-selected out of posting in the age of Trumpism.
12-20-2017 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky
is there any reason i should personally abstain from these games?
Could be a gateway game
12-20-2017 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
It is regarding your claim that you are a neutral poster observing some bias. You would be considered very conservative in Euroland, but you self-selected out of posting in defense of Rs in the current environment. Ikes was a very conservative poster, he self perma-banned because he was so embarrassed that Rs nominated Donald Trump. As BOIDS said, the "good conservative posters" have self-selected out of posting in the age of Trumpism.

i've always been confused about my personal political persuasion. i think when it comes to social issues, i'm firmly libertarian. many years ago, i asked the politics forum to give me questions and a label. they decided i was a moderate democrat in practice.

all that aside, i am severely disappointed by those identifying as conservatives in these latest atf threads.

i've asked for real conservative perspectives on current events and received not one reply to the actual question.

Last edited by Mat Sklansky; 12-20-2017 at 01:26 PM. Reason: so i think i'm agreeing with you, mostly.
12-20-2017 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
There are a lot of young conservatives that don't deny climate change, believe in creationism and have always been supportive of human rights, including gay rights, so I don't believe this plays a significant role in the problem of 2+2 inability to have a political thread as opposed to the current echo chambers that get briefly interrupted.
Lol, these people don't actually exist in significant numbers. A 20yo who is a self described conservative (a distinct minority for this age group) who accepts science, rejects religion, and believes in human rights won't describe themselves as conservative for very long. They are either going to become liberal, possibly flirting with libertarian along the way, or they are going to drop their more liberal beliefs and become fully engulfed in conservatism.

Not that any of this matters, skimming through the pog thread there seems to be plenty of people who manage to voice conservative opinions without having an ATF thread created just to complain about their existence there. It's you, and somehow always you, who manages to get exiled from every place on this site that talks about politics. Quit feeling like you are the special little snowflake who is getting singled out for persecution and own up to the fact that you suck at posting.
12-20-2017 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky
i've always been confused about my personal political persuasion. i think when it comes to social issues, i'm firmly libertarian. many years ago, i asked the politics forum to give me questions and a label. they decided i was a moderate democrat in practice.

all that aside, i am severely disappointed by those identifying as conservatives in these latest atf threads.

i've asked for real conservative perspectives on current events and received not one reply to the actual question.
That is because "American conservatism" is a jumbled, incoherent mess right now. Trump campaigned very heavily on populism and then allowed his Administration to be taken over by Heritage Foundation types. So you have the Heritage Foundation types who are appalled by Trump and many things he has done but are thrilled about the policies they are using him to get through. Then you have the "populist types" that just love Trump's behavior that pisses people off and don't really care/are ignorant about his actual policy.
12-20-2017 , 01:40 PM
so the posters i am complaining about are "the "populist types" that just love Trump's behavior that pisses people off and don't really care/are ignorant about his actual policy."?
12-20-2017 , 02:01 PM
think u are mixing up mat and mason, pwns. still the point remains

just imagine yourself to be a thinking conservative like inar2 or lou or (gasp) ikes etc. now imagine trying to defend yourself and your party against the tidal wave of drumpf-related disgraces which occur on a near-daily basis

oops, looks like today he endorsed a pedo for senate, better get your working boots on. oh and now he called a dem senator a whore on twitter. might need to put in a double shift! ah just when you thought your work was done for the evening he retweeted some made up anti-muslim stuff from noted fascists 'britain first'. looks like its gonna be a late one!

so ofc the thinking ones all pretty much stop posting, and we're left with the dregs that dont see anything wrong with their presidential candidate of choice mocking a hostile news reporter by referencing his disability
12-20-2017 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky
so the posters i am complaining about are "the "populist types" that just love Trump's behavior that pisses people off and don't really care/are ignorant about his actual policy."?
That is my belief, yes.

The Heritage Foundation types could debate you, but they know damn well that they are using Trump's victory to implement policies that people do not want so they just keep their mouth shut. They don't want to talk about the bargain they made:

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Ryan faced a legacy-shaping decision that night: Stay true to himself and step down as speaker, or muzzle himself and serve alongside Trump in a unified GOP government. It was a no-brainer: This was Ryan’s chance to actually achieve the things he had only fantasized about. Even if that meant getting in bed with the likes of Trump and Bannon. And even if that meant accommodating behavior from a Republican president that he would never tolerate from a Democrat. It was a trade-off Ryan could not refuse. It was, in the refrain of the speaker’s allies, “Paul’s deal with the devil,” one that he would make all over again. Chasing his legislative dreams would require keeping his criticisms of Trump to himself. “You can’t create a sideshow, even if there’s cause for a sideshow, because it’s going to get in the way of getting the big things done,” Boehner told POLITICO Magazine of Ryan’s approach to Trump. “Paul has got his head on straight. He’s very comfortable with who he is and what he’s got to do.”
https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...hington-216103
12-20-2017 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BOIDS
think u are mixing up mat and mason, pwns. still the point remains
You are right. My apologies Mat.
12-20-2017 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky
so the posters i am complaining about are "the "populist types" that just love Trump's behavior that pisses people off and don't really care/are ignorant about his actual policy."?
the only coherent and consistent conservative ideology that exists today is "pissing off liberals." that is it.

when liberals got upset that actual nazis were marching in charlottesville and that a women was killed by one, they actually sided with the nazis. they went on to denigrate the ppl who were protesting the nazis and victim blamed the poor girl who was murdered.

when a man who was well-known to have pursued and engaged in consensual and non-consensual sexual acts young with teen girls, ie 13-15 yr olds, the conservatives strongly sided with him over democrats.

tthere are ofc other examples, but these are the most egregious and disgusting and proof that there is no bottom to how far these ppl will go.

we could also point to the more mundane policy efforts that are overwhelmingly unpopular and heavily criticized by nearly unanimous industry experts such as net neutrality, the failed health care (which will pass eventually), and the recent tax plan.

      
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