They're the only reason I slink into ATF.

Except for an occasional lolpog.

Re-reading that thread really hi lights how horrible PU was. Anyone who thinks I was a biased mod go see many of Wil's posts to me you would take before banning him.

Yeah, I banned him eventually, but it was much later and for reasons.

A recency requirement could be fun. Politics turbo time.

You're only allowed in for 8 months or 8000 posts? Interesting...

I was not using MAGA as a signature if a signature is defined as something at the end of every post someone makes.

As I said before I said MAGA 15ish times over the course of months. When asked to stop I did ask why since I saw other players using a real signature "the post was made using a sidekick (or whatever phone)" and they were never told to stop. Even after I asked why I had to stop and never got an answer I did stop, but as mentioned here once ker Jung owo made up a bunch of other rules that only I had to follow I did say MAGA or variants of it in my posts (again a total of around 15 times total over months) to point out how ridiculous he was being.

I PMed kerowo and tried having a serious conversation and it resulted in more rules that only I had to follow and no explanation on why I was given these rules. I think it is well known amongst posters that were around at that time that kerowo just didn't like me personally.

Once left leaning posters saw kerowo crack down on me they would team up on me and attempt to bully me. The amount of personal attacks I saw in PU is something I've never seen before. That is why I choose not to go back to P7.0 (or whatever it is called) when I was invited back. I am still disappointed that Mat or someone else higher up than kerowo didn't sit kerowo down and ask him what was going on or attempt to squash some of bullying that he was the ring leader of.

After quite some time off I found POGlitics and decided to give it a go and hope for a fresh start and for the most part that is what I got.

This is the post you made after being asked to stop using maga as a signature on your posts:

Your banning was basically suicide by mod.

What does it tell you that after getting a "fresh start" it didn't take very long for all your new colleagues to also discover that you're an idiot?

The lefties that have been nuked tend to not cry in ATF every single ****ing time politics is brought up here. That or they are better at not getting caught on their gimmick accounts.

yay! we have another political discussion thread in atf.

the conservative viewpoint is shouted down in the main politics forum. i think there is some truth there.

i am truly unbiased, politically. i am in a state of perpetual confusion and constantly interested in different perspectives. i am not, however, interested in seeing moderators and users argue about events that took place in a forum that doesn't exist anymore.

so, back to politics. the tax bill. i want to hear from our conservative posters. what's good about it? what's bad about it?

i am in the same boat mat. i don't identify as any party, but i like reading a bit (not a lot) about both. i love that you are downplaying the name calling and pointed attacks at one side or the other and trying to get people to talk about their views verses what they don't like about those that oppose their views.

tell me about what you believe and why you believe it. not what you hate about why the other person believes what they do.

i had a class once that we had to have an 'argument' with someone and not use the word 'you'. it is harder than it sounds. i can have one in my head to about 3 degrees without it becoming really hard (twss). i wonder what this, or any political discussion like this would look like with that rule? just curious really.

p.s. the persons name would count as a 'you'.

can ATF non-posters post in this new ATF Politics thread?

the problem with our point of view is that it apparently makes everyone disappear.

reminds me of this little ditty (played before, i know):

Yeah, that is what I said. I took the death by mod route because I didn't see any other route. I was not going to keep taking the abuse (extra rules that only applied to me and the constant personal attacks) you and others were trying to give me.

It tells me that shouting down from left leaning people is the new norm. Our country has become so divided that there are very few people who want to discuss political issues beyond shouting those who oppose their view.

Go take a look at any political thread on 2+2 and you will see the shouting down. Either 2+2 is attracting bad conservative posters, 2+2 is turning good conservative posters into bad conservative posters or 2+2 is pushing away the good conservative posters.

Mat, it is difficult to believe you that you truly want to hear from conservative posters when you allow what has gone on in politics (not just P but also any other political based thread on 2+2) go on for so many years. I'd love to see you ask the mods of all the political threads who they believe are the good conservative posters on 2+2 and then ask those posters who were named how they feel the political discussions and modding are going on 2+2.

I enjoyed my early days in P & PU discussing politics and I believe I accomplished my goal of learning a lot about what people with different views than I think and I have happily changed my view on some issues. It is sad to see what has happened to political debates on 2+2 since that time.

Mat asks for a conservative viewpoint and gets shouted down by a conservative.
So far it looks like option a)

Whats to stop someone from playing a ww turbo and then posting in the politics thread.
Your barrier to entry is super low, so enforcing a nativist pog politics policy just doesn't work the way you want it to work.

What you really need is a firewall to keep the non poggers out.

kiera got a little turned on by your answer.

don't worry. i'll take care of it.

Exactly the same argument as to why we need an alternative politics forum - I wonder - not only have we seen incarnations of an alternative politics forum over the years but we have seen, as we have in POG, that there are politics threads in non-politics forums - how about we look at the root problem why this is happening in the first place? I agree all political discussions should be had in the politics forum but for some reason this can't happen!

Can you mod the politics forum by yourself?

That's exactly the person that the politics forum needs.

18 months if I understand it? Doesn't that give him some standing to stay - I mean what is so new about his posting now that you didn't see when he first started?

i think its just that the good conservative posters (of which there were never that many, the internet poker crowd tends to be young and young people generally dont go in for creationism, climate change denial, anti-gay marriage stuff etc so there's always been a librul bias around here) are unwilling to try to justify drumpfism cos they know it's an impossible task. so they've all packed their bags, and we're left with the buffoons

mat, every time you lock one of these atf politics threads it pops up again after a few days. it is time to create a permanent politics thread in atf for all the aforementioned buffoons to post their thoughts about how sandy hook was an inside job and how dinosaurs went extinct 5000 years ago because of small nostrils. call it politics: last chance saloon. and make oreo mod it

Who shouted him down?

If you believe the answer is "A" then why do you think that is? Does 2+2 want this to change and if so how is that going to be accomplished?

There are a lot of young conservatives that don't deny climate change, believe in creationism and have always been supportive of human rights, including gay rights, so I don't believe this plays a significant role in the problem of 2+2 inability to have a political thread as opposed to the current echo chambers that get briefly interrupted.

This seems like a sensible choice assuming gregorio and mat mod it however they like. Sorry gregorio.