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Puzzles why do you incessantly threaten to lock the POG politics thread? Does it bother you that other people like posting there? I feel like for the past year you have threatened to do it like 20 times just based on your mood.

Show your work.

Seriously, **** off with these bull**** accusations that I know are untrue.

What in the hell did I do to any of you to try to discredit me with this false bull****?

I don't have anything to GAIN by being a POG mod, I'll just end up stepping down soon, I don't care, being a "mod" doesn't make me feel good, I've just done it as a 'service', I don't get **** out of it on my end.

12-19-2017 , 01:54 PM

#78

Luckbox Inc

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I appreciate Kruze's laissez faire approach to the thread a lot better than the heavy handed one we got from monkey.

I appreciated Monkey--in his own way too--because I knew that he cared about the thread and wanted it to exist.

12-19-2017 , 01:56 PM

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Bloobird

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Originally Posted by JMurder3

This was my post in the Discord chat on the subject on November 4th [edited a tiny bit for sloppy phone posting]:

Don't know the details, but if someone is actively making things worse for regulars & making them not want to post, that's a problem, especially with the low likelihood they'll actually become players. But yeah, keeping people out of the forum because they aren't forum regulars would be bad.

I won't put words into his mouth, but I believe gambit agreed with that position. That is still my opinion.

ok, so assuming gambit agrees (and assuming majority vote makes this the rule for the thread) then how do we get someone to actually take action against bahbah given a pretty good handful of POG regulars do seem to agree he's making the thread a worse place to post in?

12-19-2017 , 02:01 PM

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and by 'take action' I mean 'give a warning' at this stage obv, before anyone gets hysterical about me calling for bannings or anything

12-19-2017 , 02:01 PM

#81

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloobird

I don't really want to do this in public, but my opinion has been that it would be best to make a respected, politics thread regular a moderator with purview of the thread, subject to opinions from the rest of us on controversial issues of course.

I think KruZe's vision for the politics thread may differ from that of the majority of posters there, & if that's the case, he might not be the best person to oversee the thread, even if his vision of free expression & a marketplace of ideas is perfectly valid.

12-19-2017 , 02:02 PM

#82

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Birdman10687

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puzzles

Show your work.

Seriously, **** off with these bull**** accusations that I know are untrue.

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Originally Posted by Puzzles

Do you think it is best served to lock the POG Politics thread?

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Originally Posted by Puzzles

I would be in favor of simply locking the POG Politics thread

You've done it twice in the past several posts and tbh you seem increasingly unhinged and unfit.

12-19-2017 , 02:04 PM

#83

soah

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Puzzles

I never signed up to be a politics mod.

I would be in favor of simply locking the POG Politics thread and directing any Political discussion to the official 2p2 Politics sub forums except for the selfish reasoning that I feel I can personally mod a politics thread that accepts all views.

Seems like you have to pick one or the other of those positions, no? Either you don't want to mod the politics thread, or you do. And all evidence points to you not wanting to mod the thread, since the extent of your moderating seems to be to respond to complaints periodically to say that you aren't going to take any action.

12-19-2017 , 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bloobird

no, and I have no idea why you'd think I want that

why?

the thread is literally there for poggers to discuss politics

that is the purpose of the thread

if non-poggers want to discuss politics there is literally an entire ****ing forum for them to do that

so why do we have to let them come spew their nonsense in our thread?

about ten poggers have now told you variations on this, I don't know why you feel that your vision for the thread being some super secret underground free-for-all debating chamber takes precedence over the view of most other poggers who just want somewhere for poggers to talk politics

FYI, there is a whole group of posters who want to, but can't talk about politics on 2plus2, because they have been banned (unfairly in a lot of cases) from the main politics forum.

Naturally they are going to find any politics sub-forum, no matter how obscure, and post in it.

12-19-2017 , 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

I think both Kruze and Monkey modded the thread badly in their own way, but can see that it's also a fairly awful thread to mod (although probably not as bad as the LVL Vloggers thread at its worst). I like them both as posters, and don't think I've ever had any real conflicts with either of them outside of this issue.

12-19-2017 , 02:06 PM

#86

soah

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JMurder3

I'll moderate that thread through the end of 2018 if KruZe steps down. Win/win? (Except for me?)

12-19-2017 , 02:09 PM

#87

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Originally Posted by JMurder3

I don't really want to do this in public

apologies, didn't mean to drag that out, feel free to tell me things are being discussed behind the scenes if that's the case

12-19-2017 , 02:09 PM

#88

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soah, you forget, the existence of a POG Politics thread is because... the POG mods. Could simply lock it and require all political commentary be posted in the Politics subforum.

It's not a secret that the way well named wanted to run his "new politics thread" is exactly how POG politics thread is currently run.

OMG GASP

Right wing Posters can say things!?!? THE HORROR lol..

I stand by the posts i've made in POG Politics thread, I'm not defending myself anymore, you are free and probably to lazy to look back at the content I provided, but that isn't my problem.

Good luck. Have a nice day.

12-19-2017 , 02:10 PM

#89

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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

yeah so you're just helping my case here

literally this is the exact reason why allowing anyone to post in it is such an awful idea

the pog politics thread should be for poggers, not the dregs who've been kicked out of everywhere else

12-19-2017 , 02:11 PM

#90

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Quote:

Originally Posted by soah

I'll moderate that thread through the end of 2018 if KruZe steps down. Win/win? (Except for me?)

sold

12-19-2017 , 02:15 PM

#91

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Originally Posted by Bloobird

The reason the pog politics thread exists is because of the intolerant atmosphere of politics. It is why I chose to post politics in pog and not politics, which led directly to the creation of that thread. Fwiw.

Still I think bahbah and anyone else needs to participate in some games.

12-19-2017 , 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

Sushy, you should go post in the POG Politics thread!

12-19-2017 , 02:17 PM

#93

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

12-19-2017 , 02:17 PM

#94

JMurder3

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloobird

apologies, didn't mean to drag that out, feel free to tell me things are being discussed behind the scenes if that's the case

No active conversations about these things. Just a series of conversations around the time Monkey got demodded. I believe mine was the dissenting opinion on this issue, which is totally fine.

To be clear, I'm in no way pushing for KruZe to be demodded. I just think a 4th moderator would be helpful.

12-19-2017 , 02:22 PM

#95

BroadwaySushy

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Originally Posted by Bloobird

Well no, actually. Because until the bias against posters on one side of the political spectrum on this site is addressed seriously then you will get this happening.

Get used to it.

12-19-2017 , 02:24 PM

#96

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Kruze has been a fine pog mod overall. Say what you will about Kruze, but he at least cares about pog. That's way more than you could say about the worst of the pog mods, and there have been a few bad ones. Don't get me started!

This whole thing of non-pog people in the politards thread is pretty inconsequential any way you choose to look at it. There's barely even a pog left these days! And that thread will always be an abortion, however it's modded. That's how the participants like it!

12-19-2017 , 02:25 PM

#97

Neil S

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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

Get used to it.

Moderation means never having to say 'get used to it' with respect to belligerent posters.

12-19-2017 , 02:26 PM

#98

BroadwaySushy

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Puzzles would have been a good mod for the new forum imo.

12-19-2017 , 02:27 PM

#99

master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JMurder3

I reluctantly accept

12-19-2017 , 02:28 PM

#100

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

Well no, actually. Because until the bias against posters on one side of the political spectrum on this site is addressed seriously then you will get this happening.

Get used to it.

as long as it happens in some other thread y'all can knock yourselves out

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