ok, sorry for the tl;dr. I thought this was a relatively simple issue that wouldn't need to come to this but apparently not

cliffs:

- awful non-pog poster is stinking up the pog politics thread
- mod refuses to take action because he's not technically breaking any forum rules despite the fact that the pog politics thread should clearly be for poggers
- lolpog, obv

long version:

Like many subforums, POG has a politics thread, so the community can have somewhere to discuss politics without it clogging up any other threads, particularly the pub.

bahbahmickey has 604 posts in the POG Politics thread at current count. He has 6 posts in any other thread in POG, of which only one was in the last four years. From memory, he's been banned from several other politics threads on 2+2 for relentless bad posting.

It seems a fairly cut and dry issue. He is not a pogger. He should not be posting in the POG politics thread.

one of the current POG mods agrees:
several longstanding poggers agree:
however, Puzzles/Kruze, who mods the politics thread, seems to think that the POG Politics thread isn't actually for poggers, but for whoever they please to come and post politics:
This is basically a load of nonsense that ignores what the thread is for. There are plenty of other places on this forum for bahbah to go post politics, but only one thread for POG to discuss politics, and we shouldn't have to put up with his endless stream of nonsense while we do so. We've got enough homegrown nonsense of our own. And I'm perfectly happy for this to apply to any non-poggers whatever their political persuasion.

This seems to be the general consensus of the other poggers who've posted an opinion on this, so I don't see why one mod should be able to overrule everyone else in the community. Particularly since the last time he went against the wishes of the majority of POG Politics posters was in unbanning VMF (originally banned for stinking up the thread with conspiracy theories), and that ended excellently, with VMF lasting about a month before getting re-permaed.

so srsly, can we just get it agreed that the POG Politics thread is for poggers only, which is why it's the POG Politics thread and not just the Politics thread which we literally have an entire damn forum for

oh lolme I didn't actually complete the thread title

can a mod change it to 'POG Politics thread should be for people who post in POG' or something like that?

bastard

Bloo is right, Kruze is wrong, it's not close

In the future, bots will use DWetzel's posts when they are perpetually upset.

That's a mature, well-articulated exposition of your viewpoint on the issue by your standards

Well played.

Just the latest example of KruZe (Puzzles) using terrible judgment, not working with the other mods of the forum, and telling everyone to just **** off if they don't like it. He should never have been made a mod in the first place and all of his actions as a mod have shown why. It's time to put an end to this farce.

Pretty wolfy intro, iyam.

I am sympathetic with Kruze's position, but the retort - how many people have come to POG for Politics and actually stayed to play a game - is salient.


That being said, the rule would not only exclude bahbah. Recent arrival Kerowo, of whom nobody has complained despite not being a POGger, would be gone.

I don't think this is really about "keeping pog pog".

I think it's more about excluding a rwnj from an increasingly echo'ing chamber of Fifty Shades of Left.

the nativist sentiment behind this is ironic given the people insisting upon it are supposedly anti-nativist in their politics

I haven't told anyone to fword off.

Why should I have never been made a mod in the first place?

ALL of my actions have shown why? You realize I run the Tatiana Turbo bot? Is that one of them?

You are simply spitting venomous nonsense.

I've been a POG mod for about 3 YEARS now lol, I'm pretty sure at this point you need to bring some hard evidence besides this bull**** to discredit me.

I'm not like... banning people for no reason, my actual fault is I don't want to ban people lol.

You are pathetic soah.

Soah, list 5 "actions as a mod" I have taken, that you disagree with. I'll start the timer.

banning people from talking about/linking to other websites

the Kawamii (sp?) stuff

Ms POG

unbanning VMF

this issue

Subscribed

this isn't designed to be a hard and fast rule, like the vast majority of forum rules it's only something that will be enforced if someone is annoying enough to force it to be enforced

if kerowo was annoying the poggers who want to post in the Politics thread then I'd support him being told to stay out of the thread (and there's enough right-wing poggers that this shouldn't be taken to mean 'only liberals can enter' or anything)

tbh I assumed he was a sheeper or something.

-I was trying to protect POG from the ultimate force of Mafia Universe, and (not other websites) POG was honestly... the most popular Werewolf HUB on the entire internet before Thingyman made his move. I don't fault Thingyman for that one bit, at the time he did that, it hurt me, as I was a new mod, and I felt POG was the Top Tier WW site on the internet. It was a savage sting that took me quite awhile to accept.

-Kawamii was a terrible player/poster. No regrets

-Ms. POG, was a tradition that I inherited and had no issue against being run, it is still run on other 2p2 sub forums and if it was run again on POG (god I hope not) I would not object.

-VMF, You saw my case I stated in the Mod Forum. Nuff said.

-This issue, I just accept all views, so long as they follow official 2p2 rules, to post in POG, whether it be games, or politics, or simply friendly posts in the PUB. I don't stop any of it.

Vmf should still be free.

Guy never once posted anything malicious or mean-spirited as far as I saw.

Obviously kerowo shouldn't be in the thread either. People aren't using him as the example because he didn't even show up until a week ago, whereas bahbah has been posting in the thread for a year and a half.

this is an admission that the "pog community" is purely a pretextual argument for excluding someone whom you simply find annoying

how many "right wingers" are there in the pog thread? 4?

maybe you want a "democratic exclusion" rule with a "pog-member immunity"?

Here's a simple question:

Given that we have a Politics forum already, what differentiates the POG Politics thread from it, such that we need to have both of them?

The obvious and correct answer is "it's for regulars of POG to discuss these things".

If it's not that, then why do we need the thread at all?


(The current difference in reality, which Kruze has seen fit to promote, is that "it's for people who have been exiled from every other politics forum on the site for ****-posting to continue ****-posting in the exact same manner". Which, if you think about it, is pretty much a slap in the face to every other mod that did the banning in the first place.)



And to address IANAWW's point, he's right, insofar as kerowo ought to not be in there either.

nobody mentioned kerowo or had any problem with kerowo posting itt

even in the thick of the "bahbah isn't part of pog" posts, kerowo is right there and nobody gaf



if bahbah takes luckbox's suggestion and submits a few sheep answers, he's now cool to continue posting his tripe? how does that meaningfully change POG in any way?

I really think the salient point should be that bahbah has been posting for a year and a half.

Why now?

Am I not right?