the thread: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...thief-1704093/

There are some world class trolls in that thread, who ensnared the OP of that thread and they're now trying to ensnare me. Unfortunately I don't trust myself to avoid said thread so I'd prefer you just delete my account. I think I can resist the urge to make another.

I realize he did bad stuff and the title of that thread may be accurate. But he's just one in a long line of people who've had bad relations on 2+2. The reason he has a thread like that devoted to him is how much he's made people dislike him. It's very much personal. I think the thread has run it's course and someone with the power to should do the right thing and delete the thread.

I get he's not innocent in this, he brought it on himself and fed it and did lots of bad stuff. But I can tell you from first hand experience now that they're equally responsible. I am simply trying to politely make this case there and they are coming at me with all sorts of tactics and making this extremely personal with me. They've clearly been active participants in creating that situation.

I believe he's banned from the forum so that is that, he can't come back. He doesn't need to be shamed to the world for all eternity.

Thank you for your consideration.

"I don't like the tone of the people in that thread, and have now determined that they are equally responsible, which is to say that through the obnoxiousness of their personalities they actually kinda forced him to concoct a scheme in which he took money from another poster and then pretended that it disappeared as a result of a fictional character he created being burned to death in a wildfire that was very real and caused dire real-world consequences for many; they are equally responsible for him trying to capitalize on an actual tragedy for the purpose of getting away with stealing money. Damn them."

Good post, eth.

That isn't what I'm saying and you know it isn't what I'm saying. Whenever your own behavior is brought up, you deflect back to the things that he did.

Many people have done bad things and they aren't punished with threads like that one.

What separates him from all of them is not what he did. It's how much he made you personally dislike him. By his own tone and the obnoxiousness of his own personality. You trolled him and he trolled you back. You got under his skin and he got under yours. And that thread is your revenge.

Err, well, you're complaining of a thread title that describes his behavior ("scammer and thief"). His behavior is the only behavior that is relevant, unless of course we bear blame in his scamming and thieving, which you have now explicitly said is not your contention. So I guess what you have alleged is that I'm staying on topic, and to that I must plead guilty.

As I asked you in a question that went unanswered: is it your position that every criminal prosecution is unjust because so many crimes go unsolved and/or unreported?

It's...my revenge? I didn't create the thread, I didn't name the thread. When it's active I post in it, when it's not then I don't. Again, you're just taking his weird framing and running with it, that every poster in that thread is responsible for things that most are not responsible for.

FWIW, I deny having gotten upset at any of his trolling, and that's despite the fact that if you lined up his posts at me next to my posts at him, no objectiver observer would find mine to be the more objectionable ones. I don't deny that he has sometimes angered me, such as when his entitled ass has lashed out at people like Larry Legend who were sincerely trying to help him with things, or such as when he's been flagrantly xenophobic in his attacks on others. I suppose those are the things that we are actually equally to blame for? I'd hate to think that I forced a dude to hurl racial slurs at people, so feel free to let me know if you think I've done that.

I would agree with you that individual responsibility is hard to pin down. The collective is responsible. Who among you is specifically responsible is harder to attribute but also not really the point. I'm not asking for any punishment for any of you. Aside from not being able to troll that thread anymore.

As for the rest of that, you're not engaging in good faith. You never have been. So I'm going to my best to stop responding to you as if you are.

Actually, who is specifically responsible is super easy to attribute and doesn't exist in any sort of grey area. Forum mods of the forum where a thread is located have powers in those threads that others don't, including retitling the threads. You have a very short list of people to choose from. And, if granting your questionable premise that this was an immoral thing to do (it wasn't), everyone else would be exonerated. Having never been an OOT mod, I hereby accept my exoneration for something that I wouldn't be ashamed of if I were responsible.

The accusation of bad faith is of course incorrect, but if you're willing to carry out that sort of cynical ploy to evade the substance, you have probably chosen wisely just from a tactical perspective. People who take those sorts of shortcuts do tend to gain more than they lose, I would venture.

That's something to take up with mods of that forum. Deleting an entire large thread because of the objections of one poster seems unlikely, but OOT mods are the ones you need to talk to.

It's exceedingly rare that we'd delete an account, thus deleting any threads they had started and posts by others in those threads, as well as potentially leaving other threads very confusing to read with missing posts. It sounds like you're just looking to remove your ability to post, which could be achieved with a ban if you like.

Not just that.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=52341

That group has now turned their attentions on me. I am seeking to remove as much information from this forum as possible that I have left over five years, that may allow them to bring that witch hunt into my life.

The “contacted his job” thing is a completely delusional falsehood that he simply spammed enough times that people started to believe it. Never happened.

And again you’re saying “that group” when we know the specific people who did those other things, and those actions were met with criticism by ***the group*** (save for Admo’s website, that didn’t seem to get criticized the same way, which seems fine) who you would now attribute those actions to.

Become a better and more credible communicator of information.

I don't know the details of any of that, I wasn't there. But I also know that your summaries of these situations are completely biased and slanted and can't be trusted.

That Victor poster said that and I find him credible enough for me to want to protect myself from all of you.

Ah, well I'm glad you fact-checked it at least.

I can tell that you know him really well. I always refer to people who I know well in the "that Victor poster" form you just used. Would I be incorrect in assuming that your credibility assessment of him consisted of the extreme vetting process of asking the single question, "Did this guy say something I'd like to take and run with?"

Anyway, if you'd like to sharpen your vetting process a bit, allow me to offer you one of his posts in that same thread, since you haven't bothered to fact-check much of anything:

Which leaves you in the position of having just accused me of being biased and slanted and non-credible, and then having quickly offered your seal of credibility approval to someone saying that Babs should be able to commit blatant fraud.

Thoughts?

You would be correct in assuming that I find any random poster that I know nothing about as more credible than you. Because your credibility here is ~0.

I'm sure there are contexts and people to who you don't employ the tactics that you do with me. But with me, you are just out to troll and deflect and twist everything. Your words mean less than nothing. And it saddens me that you aren't aware other people besides me also see this. We all know what you're doing.

Here I am simply asking for my account to deleted and the trolling has been brought here. I don't hope to be able to penetrate your bureaucracy where it relates to that thread. But here you have a human being who is honestly in fear of being harassed by these people. I hope that request does not also fall on deaf ears. I do not want to remain entangled in this mess simply because I chose to voice my opinion, which is different than theirs.

Have you posted a bunch of personal information on our forums? If so, I'd suggest reporting those posts and requesting it be removed. Or you can PM me if you just need some info removed from a few posts.

This is quite a bit of projection from someone who has wholly fabricated the notion that he feels threatened by "the thread" or "that group" or whatever when no such threat exists. Much in the same way that your request to delete your account is simply a tactical gambit enabled by your willingness to continuously make new 2p2 accounts. You hoped that some gullible soul would come along and go, "Oh hell's bells, Margie, this guy has a mob coming after him! We should take sweeping action and fully grant all of his requests." Doesn't seem to be going to plan though.

And Admo's website was created as a result of a scam he ran on an entirely different forum. So this idea that he's only a scammer because of this forum's trolls, is nonsense on stilts.

There were several other forum sites where he was caught scamming weren't there?

I get it guys. Everything you've done to him was justified because he deserved it.

And everything you've done to me was justified because I deserved it.

Given the culture and rules her permit the way you treat people if you decide they deserve it, I would hope you'd understand me wanting to opt-out.

Of course, you wont understand that. You want to be able to torment me too. Because, you think I deserve it.

What on earth did we do to you? Mocked you for making stupid posts? I'm pretty sure that all of us have faced that consequence on occasion.

Nobody is forcing you to stay, and no, none of us are pursuing any grievance against you offline. It is 100% within your power to never deal with us again in any manner if that's actually what you want.

And on that note, I think I've given you the answers you need and some options depending on what you'd like to do. If you want to continue discussing that thread, I'd suggest you do so with the mods of that forum.