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New forum for arguing about politics, society, and culture? New forum for arguing about politics, society, and culture?
View Poll Results: Would you participate in the new forum?
Yes!
37 27.01%
Perhaps. See my comments in thread.
11 8.03%
Probably not.
13 9.49%
Hell no! Lock thread; ban OP.
57 41.61%
Bastard
19 13.87%

12-10-2017 , 09:10 AM
TimmayB how many of your interactions/posts in POG Politics had nothing to do with Zorkman (who has been banned for quite some time)?

I did the work for you, the answer is about zero +2 or three at most out of 20+ posts. And all the while Monkey Banana had control of the thread.

Try posting there now. Things are different.
12-10-2017 , 09:14 AM
Not many/maybe zero as he was pretty much the only person bad enough to make me say "whoa wtf how is this allowed?".

The fact that it took him as long as it did to get banned is not a good look. It's a beyond terrible look.

Why in the world do we need a whole forum of varying degrees of Zorkmans? We know how it is ending every single time.

I haven't lurked POG Politics in quite a while so if it is somehow not some white nationalists/conpiritard haven anymore, I apologize for the generalizations. When I was lurking it it was a few notches above Stormfront and the mods (Monkey Banana in particular) seemed to not care at all.
12-10-2017 , 09:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimmayB
I am a no because while they have the right to free speech, 2p2 and its users definitely have the right to choose to not allow them a platform for their horrible ideologies. It's a black eye to every nonterrible/nonracist poster here to give bigots a space for their bigotry - and it's already been shown TWICE that a large majority of these posters are too racist even for whatever separate racist forum may be made for them. They're always going to end up violating the site wide racism rules eventually (most of the time sooner than later) - so what's the point?

Take that **** somewhere it's actually wanted, cuz it ain't here.
Quote some racist posts since Monkey Banana was removed from POG (Politics thread) please?

I don't believe they exist.
12-10-2017 , 09:18 AM
Lol mindmeld. Last paragraph of my last post. Glad to see you're cleaning up the trash around thereNew forum for arguing about politics, society, and culture?.
12-10-2017 , 09:20 AM
Hmm, suddenly my ignore isn't working on well named. I guess he's now a mod and this idyllic learned forum of his is a go. Congrats, everyone!
12-10-2017 , 09:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kioshk
Hmm, suddenly my ignore isn't working on well named. I guess he's now a mod and this idyllic learned forum of his is a go. Congrats!
I feel weird too...

I just saw this thumb...


instead of

Crazy times we live in.
12-10-2017 , 09:27 AM
Going to sleep, I again, support this type of forum/discussion that is moderated and all viewpoints are allowed.

When the conversation turns into personal attacks/insults, is the line.

12-10-2017 , 09:28 AM
Kioshk having well named on ignore is too perfect and pretty much the most kioshk thing possible.

He's one of the varying degrees of Zorkman I was discussing. Zorkman was just an idiot racist. Kioshk is an "I think I'm super clever and witty" racist.

Same pile of trash just two slightly different kinds.
12-10-2017 , 09:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Puzzles
Why would anyone vote no? How does it hurt you?

I want to hear arguments from the No votes.
The question is "would you participate". I probably wouldn't. But I would certainly support wellnamed and his new kingdom.
12-10-2017 , 09:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Puzzles
When the conversation turns into personal attacks/insults, is the line.


The problem with this is that white nationalists/racists/Nazis feel like calling them these things is a personal attack or insult when it's really just a description of character. Calling Zorkman racist and calling Yao Ming tall are the exact same thing in principle (both are inarguable facts)- difference being Yao prolly doesn't get super offended or consider it a personal attack when someone describes him as tall.

Until racists are able to come to terms with the fact they are racists and that this is a description of them and not a personal attack (even if it does make them ****ty people), a new forum implementing this rule is absolutely pointless because it will just be the same process we've already been through twice.
12-10-2017 , 09:37 AM
What will prevent the forum from turning out exactly the way this thread has?
12-10-2017 , 09:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimmayB
I haven't lurked POG Politics in quite a while so if it is somehow not some white nationalists/conpiritard haven anymore, I apologize for the generalizations.
KruZe (Puzzles) unbanned VMF so that he could resume posting about Pizzagate 24/7, and his policy is that people who have been exiled from Politics are welcome to post in the POG Politics thread without being moderated even if they don't have any connection to POG itself, so no apology is required.
12-10-2017 , 09:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimmayB
The problem with this is that white nationalists/racists/Nazis feel like calling them these things is a personal attack or insult when it's really just a description of character. Calling Zorkman racist and calling Yao Ming tall are the exact same thing in principle (both are inarguable facts)- difference being Yao prolly doesn't get super offended or consider it a personal attack when someone describes him as tall.

Until racists are able to come to terms with the fact they are racists and that this is a description of them and not a personal attack (even if it does make them ****ty people), a new forum implementing this rule is absolutely pointless because it will just be the same process we've already been through twice.
I don't believe the visioned forum described by well named has any intention of allowing/accepting any of the terrible things you just stated.
12-10-2017 , 09:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by soah
KruZe (Puzzles) unbanned VMF so that he could resume posting about Pizzagate 24/7, and his policy is that people who have been exiled from Politics are welcome to post in the POG Politics thread without being moderated even if they don't have any connection to POG itself, so no apology is required.


Lol never knew Puzzles was Kruze. Makes a lot more sense now he would hard defend POG Politics as I believe (could be wrong and sorry if I am) he has a bit of racist posting history as well. At least VMF is no more tho.
12-10-2017 , 09:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by soah
KruZe (Puzzles) unbanned VMF so that he could resume posting about Pizzagate 24/7, and his policy is that people who have been exiled from Politics are welcome to post in the POG Politics thread without being moderated even if they don't have any connection to POG itself, so no apology is required.
I never followed/bought into the Pizzagate stuff. As far as I'm aware I saw some screen shots of some emails that had some very weird wording that wouldn't usually be communicated...like speaking in code.

Beyond that, I was ok with allowing VMF to voice his opinion/make his posts, so long as he wasn't harming anyone? Who cares? Ignore him if he was too deep into whatever he believed. You don't even need to actually click buttons to ignore someone you know? You can simply not reply.
12-10-2017 , 09:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Puzzles
I don't believe the visioned forum described by well named has any intention of allowing/accepting any of the terrible things you just stated.


Look at the people pushing hardest for the forum outside of Well Named and it's hard to believe it would devolve into anything but this. Basically what Well Named seems to be proposing is the politics forum we already have - just that it will allow people who have been exiled from politics because they couldn't follow the rules to post until they inevitably revert back to breaking the thread rules and the same deplorableness that got them exiled from politics in the first place (this is 100% to happen). It's just a really pointless exercise imo.
12-10-2017 , 09:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimmayB
Lol never knew Puzzles was Kruze. Makes a lot more sense now he would hard defend POG Politics as I believe (could be wrong and sorry if I am) he has a bit of racist posting history as well. At least VMF is no more tho.
This is a serious charge.

Show me one racist post I have made.

I will send you $50 Paypal or $50 to a Charity of your choice if you can show/prove what you just stated.

I'm not a rich man. So this isn't just some bull**** to me.
12-10-2017 , 09:55 AM
So wtf is the main thing that distinguishes the proposed new forum from the current one? Just that exiled white nationalists and spank will be given license to spew + more mockery and derision allowed? Lots of hawt takes about how culture sucks and fascism is cool?

Probably gonna pass on this
12-10-2017 , 09:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by well named
I've never made this claim as far as I know, so I'm a bit hesitant to try to defend it.



I think it's reasonable to think that people will be more or less hesitant to participate in a forum depending on the extent to which they believe they are facing an overwhelmingly hostile audience, or hostile moderation. Chips has a pretty good perspective on this, imo. But, my interest is not really to protect people from a hostile audience by force of moderation, and I tried to make the rules reflect this ("Be prepared for people to tell you what they think...").

When people have bad ideas that are bad for their fellow man, they deserve to be met with hostility. Nobody has the right to be free of criticism
12-10-2017 , 09:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Puzzles
This is a serious charge.

Show me one racist post I have made.

I will send you $50 Paypal or $50 to a Charity of your choice if you can show/prove what you just stated.

I'm not a rich man. So this isn't just some bull**** to me.

The parenthesis were included there for a reason. I have no desire to prove something I didn't hard claim and admitted icbw wrt in the first place.

Been lots of racist and terrible posters over the years I've been here and I may just be having a senior moment and/or thinking of someone else.
12-10-2017 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
Fly's posting in P is reason enough for this new forum. It is so off the chart he even attacks his own side for asking the hard questions (such as why Hillary lost the election). I mean - what is that?


Im gonna put this in terms even a bogan should understand- Harden the **** up snowflake
12-10-2017 , 10:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TimmayB
The parenthesis were included there for a reason. I have no desire to prove something I didn't hard claim and admitted icbw wrt in the first place.

Been lots of racist and terrible posters over the years I've been here and I may just be having a senior moment and/or thinking of someone else.
You were wrong, I'm not going to beat you up over it.

Don't accuse me of that ever again please. That isn't who I am.
12-10-2017 , 10:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Puzzles
Quote some racist posts since Monkey Banana was removed from POG (Politics thread) please?

I don't believe they exist.


LOL not racist but I go to lurk the thread for the first time in forever and this is one of the very first exchanges I see, from one bigot to another.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pwnsall
So does a Jewish Baker have to bake a wedding cake for a gay Nazi?

Quote:
Originally Posted by pwnsall
Does a female stripper have to give a lap dance to a trans woman?

Quote:
Originally Posted by kioshk
Wedding cake bakers have a multi-tiered sense of morality.
Bang up job of fostering intellectual/productive political discussion you've got going on thereNew forum for arguing about politics, society, and culture?.
12-10-2017 , 10:17 AM
You forgot:

Quote:
Originally Posted by biggerboat
They can't hold a candle to birthday cake bakers.
What is the problem with this content you quoted?
12-10-2017 , 10:21 AM
Yeah just included the pwns and kioshk posts because I'm 100% certain they both have bigoted posts all over 2p2 (they both post in SE/SE politics every once in a while) and I'm not familiar with biggerboat. It's two known bigoted guys openly mocking LGBT people/the LGBT rights movement - but hey, no more racism allowed. Small victories, I suppose?

      
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