Outside of the full blown deplorables, this still seems like the same old war that SMP(&RGT?) waged on Politics for whatever reason. They can and have ran political threads of their own on their respective forum(s).

Well named, who has no trouble admitting he is primarily motivated by selfish reasons, can discuss these things there as well, or Skype people, or PM people. I have literally never seen anyone even considering asking for a whole new alternative forum. Like let's say NVG sucks, it seems ludicrous to suddenly start demanding for an alternative NVG. If NVG sucks, I can start making NVG better or just not ever open it and handle all of my NVG-ey business elsewhere if I so please. We are discussing a scenario where an alternative NVG was just closed because it got overridden with nazi apologism and are about to fire a new one up for, still, no comprehensible reason.

What are you guys all so afraid of? You can't handle different viewpoints or what?

Sushy, do you really think people didn't stand for Spencer? There are SO many posts defending him! Just look them up! You can find six posters within a good minute making arguments defending him! It's amazing that was even a hypothetical, as seen with you know, the only word you didn't highlight, but it was also literally true! You again, misconstrued a sentence no one else in this forum would, and STILL ****ed up! Only you could do that! There is literally no other poster on this forum, with the repeated need to dunk on themselves over and over.

Again, I know you're old. I'm pretty sure it was you that posted that your family doesn't like you because of how you're exactly like you are on 2p2 as you are irl. But, how is your memory and control of the English language this bad?

You realize how *nobody* but Wil took your side when the post you made happened? You realize how when we are re-litigating it now, nobody is taking your side? Do these things just go over your head? Is this lack of self-awareness just always been a thing with you?

reminder for well named.

you can moderate this thread.

and we can setup the forum where you are the only one able to start threads.

Wookie often cites a body of work rather than individual posts as his reason to ban people (probably because it is a lot easier to make out such bans as technically the posts on their own do not fall foul of the rules) - well the body of work of Fly being abusive and inflammatory to not only conservative posters but other lefties as well (for example, Clovis) is well and truly on the record for everyone to see.

Bundy, here's the thing. You and Sushy and the other deplorables DESPERATELY seek specific posts for proof when you can't read or comprehend basic English or facts of basic videos. When asked to do the same, we always get a lame ass deflection.

Every single time.

Lowering the gender pay gap is a progressive goal. That thread was started with a policy proposal to help achieve this goal. It then moved into a general discussion about the gender pay gap and discrimination. Your claim that it was almost exclusively about other issues is clearly false. Go read the thread again. Well named, jjshabado, and others posted lengthy defenses of the progressive viewpoint on the gender pay gap. Yes, some people posting in the thread disagreed with progressive ideas, but that doesn't mean the thread wasn't about those ideas.

I didn't claim that P7 was a progressive forum. I said it wasn't a white nationalist alt-right forum, providing as evidence that it was moderated by liberal progressives and most of the posters were liberals or progressives. The cycle that you describe here maybe describes your own interactions in P7, but it doesn't describe my own or everyone else's.

It isn't a matter of representation or equal footing. I'm just less interested in political discussions that don't include the mainstream viewpoints of one of the two main US political parties. Not including them makes those discussions much less useful in understanding American politics.

Yeah in my less than 50 posts in P you are probably right - lol

I think a fairer way to state it that it was a forum with a decent ideal, but devolved into an alt right cesspool at the end, which is why it got closed. At the beginning, some ideas and threads from across the political spectrum were discussed, but as the political climate and overton window shifted with the election of Trump, one side was emboldened. This was why one side felt it was ok to cheer the death of Heather Hayer among other issues which should not be permitted. I don't think discussing P7 as one forum through it's entire lifespan is healthy, it wasn't the same forum the day it began vs the day it was closed. I'm obviously more interested in the end, when it was closed, as that is more recent and likely a closer representation to what will replace it.

Is that better?

The vast majority of discussions in politics alpha doesn't include the mainsteam viewpoints of either major American party. I really, really don't understand how you could even try to paint that as true.

Did you not notice the alternative politics forum we've had for the last few years?

Again, literally nobody except for the disgraced and banned Wil has ever agreed with you here. You are a disgraced poster who has been exiled from one forum and was one of the main reasons another entire forum was closed.

If any of the mods that have posted in this forum, of which there are at least half a dozen agree with you and let me know, I will happily concede. Most of them have the basic language skills that you do not possess.

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I think that is a plausibly accurate description. My disagreement is that I think the end of P7 is not a closer representation of what will replace it. Closing down the entire forum shows that the admins are serious about not having any neo-Nazi or anti-Semitic posting in even a looser politics forum, and I expect well named to take that to heart.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. As far as I remember, I haven't said anything about Politics Alpha.

Except that he is lying again as he does in just about every post. I don't recall anyone in p7 cheering Heather Heyer's death. And again of course he won't provide any quotes as proof.

Sushy, that was literally the straw that broke the camel's back. I really don't know if you're attempting to gaslight or you're just that old and problematic.

Original position, my second part was a reply to your quote about
The vast majority of posters in Alpha don't have views that fit well with either party, just the parties get talked about way more than usual post Trump with the current partisan climate. It's just a sign of the times we're in, where there is so much news and craziness to discuss so hypotheticals and unicorns don't have time for discussion.

Sushy, are you really going to have the same meltdown in this thread that you did in the thread? How many meltdowns in how many threads in ATF do you want in a month? Do you think the mods and other posters forget about the meltdown you had a week ago?

ao and slushy are helpfully demonstrating the typical level of content we'll be getting in the proposed forum in order to help swing voters make their choice

In P7, Shamey would sometimes rebut someone's argument and then announce, 'You have now been officially shouted down by an SJW!'

Not necessarily, as certain posters -- notably wil, who generated most of the noise and filed almost as many posts as the next two most prolific posters put together -- won't be there.

In terms of the poll result, the OP shouldn't be looking for a > 50% result as really the voting is still going to be dominated by the regulars in P who, in the majority, are lefties and would tend to be against any alternative politics forum mainly because they can't see beyond their own biases to realise there is a problem with the standard of debate in P.

A result around 25% who are either in favour of it or would potentially post in it subject to what they say in this thread would be a win for this forum to be started.

FMP

I am very much in favor of civil discourse.

This has been my goal in the POG Politics thread. As a mod I have accepted view points from all angles, as long as no discussion turns into personal attacks, I believe it is beneficial to both (all) sides, to let a conversation/topic run its course.

I support any forum which encourages the same.

I support Internet Free Speech.

I voted Yes!

Why would anyone vote no? How does it hurt you?

I want to hear arguments from the No votes.

MEb nailed it.

I'm not sure why these altrighters are hell bent on having their own separate 2p2 forum.

They have Stormfront or POG Politics where they can spew their terrible racist **** at will and even find other terrible people who share their terrible worldview.

Altrighters, racists, and Trumpers are by and large unable to take place in any legitimate intellectual discussion because 99% of them are either intellectually dishonest or they are racists and do not care (but of course pointing out this racism is WAY WORSE than you know, actual racism). This is not a liberal or 2p2 issue, it's an altrighters and Trumpers being objectively stupid and unable to learn or process anything as it pertains to the real world issue.

Whole bunch of snowflakes begging for a safe space. For real just go to Stormfront or POG Politics to discuss your groundbreaking ideas that all basically come back to, "if you're not a white, straight, American male you're doing it wrong".

Seriously ❤️ Well Named and his intentions here are good but this forum would be completely pointless as it will end in the same disastrous way all the other alt political forums did.

There's a reason these guys aren't allowed to post with the adults: it's because they're either incapable of reading comprehension and logic or they're just playing dumb to be able to spout some more white nationalists/cry about how they are the real victims here nonsense.

They aren't victims. They aren't some kind of weird Nazi martyrs. They're just snowflakes that are highly mad that if you say racist dumb **** in 2017, you're going to get called out for it. Point blank period. Cry me a ****ing river clowns.

I am a no because while they have the right to free speech, 2p2 and its users definitely have the right to choose to not allow them a platform for their horrible ideologies. It's a black eye to every nonterrible/nonracist poster here to give bigots a space for their bigotry - and it's already been shown TWICE that a large majority of these posters are too racist even for whatever separate racist forum may be made for them. They're always going to end up violating the site wide racism rules eventually (most of the time sooner than later) - so what's the point?

Take that **** somewhere it's actually wanted, cuz it ain't here.