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New forum for arguing about politics, society, and culture? New forum for arguing about politics, society, and culture?
View Poll Results: Would you participate in the new forum?
Yes!
37 27.01%
Perhaps. See my comments in thread.
11 8.03%
Probably not.
13 9.49%
Hell no! Lock thread; ban OP.
57 41.61%
Bastard
19 13.87%

12-14-2017 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Yeah that makes no sense. It simply means there are common strategies used to try and slide hateful speech into places it is not normally allowed and try to normalize racist, bigoted and sexist speech.



I think it is important to remind people that when someone acts like they are just kidding with their racism or playing devil’s advocate that they are actually just racist almost all the time. For too long people have doubted themselves in order not to offend people pushing hate speech. I think it is important that it is not given room to stretch.



Some of the tactics in the style guide for daily stormer are already things people try to use in politics, unchained, p7 etc etc.



I feel that hate speech is pretty much the thing that makes any of this working impossible. Just flat out aren’t many people who are not just clamoring for a place to launch disguised hate. Undoubtedly there are a small group of 2p2 users who don’t dig the vibe in politics... But really most of the people wandering without a home to discuss politics are simply up to shenanigans.



A guy like toothsayer is a perfect example. He is full of hate rheteroic yet people still question and second guess themselves when reviewing what he writes. But the horror is in his heart. It is time the gameplay stops. Not just on 2p2 but everywhere.

You did post a link which describes behaviors which you attributed to some future sub-forum. Whichever other poster you name, if those behaviors show up in that forum, why wouldn't sharing that link and attributing those behaviors have an influence which leads back to you?

I don't recall the poster you mentioned ever amateurishly trying to reel people like how as was described in your link. That's just not an apt descriptive equivalent.

I already know racists are liars. So are political partisans. So are poker players. So what?
12-14-2017 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Loki
Lol stank, by his logic the #MeToo movement is really just wishing sexual abuse on themselves.


Why are you childishly invoking #metoo with some dumb accusation? Go breed suspicion about somebody else or better yet, quit.
12-14-2017 , 09:53 PM
Really enjoying Howard's pompous condescension while he throws accusations all over the place then refuses to back any of it up.
12-14-2017 , 09:58 PM
Oh, BTW- those racists aren't simply trying to trick anyone into thinking they are nice, the real trick is for anyone to stumble into a particular kind of normalized lying. Where lying is a sensation of manufactured supremacy. Making it more familiar to lie and deny even being racist.

Read marksmans link again and consider that. They make the racists look totally stupid, but when you factor in guile, there is more to the story.
12-14-2017 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Really enjoying Howard's pompous condescension while he throws accusations all over the place then refuses to back any of it up.
I know right? So odd that sushi didn't demand proof.
12-14-2017 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
no both he and i told you that what sushy said was factually true and to go ahead and articulate what was wrong with his statement. the entire mob refused, hurled insults, and demanded it to be explained to you. its like a mob of the most insufferable brats simultaneously holding their sweet 16 party. the purpose of challenging you was to demonstrate you cant formulate a basic argument or articulate a thought. if you had just actually tried to explain what was wrong with sushys post then things would have moved along. it all started with goofyballer and others mocking sushy for being an idiot when he was completely right. the whole exercise was to demonstrate theres a mob of hysterical dipshlts and the need for a forum that weeds out hysterical dipshltery. the entire mob couldnt figure out a basic headline even when they were told they had it wrong and were challenged to make a point. the mob was mocking sushy before they were challenged. now youre screeching about how him not telling you why you were wrong when you were told to go figure out how you were wrong was a bannable offense. the logic is absurd

your presence here is amazing. none of your past or present posting in politics qualifies you to post in the hypothetical forum and you already have an existing forum to post in, yet you relentlessly tard up this thread and the previous two that were locked

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/m...sted&t=1698017
You have the absolute worst formatting of anyone on this forum. Use the ****ing enter key once in a while.
12-14-2017 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
B. Hypothetically speaking, I think mods would be disinclined to permit the observation that BLM is fundamentally a racist movement. I’m absolutely not interested in a substantive debate on that topic at the moment. Rather, I posit that whether or not that is true, conservative posts on that topic are much more likely to risk bans than liberal progressive views.
Hypothetically speaking, I think mods would be disinclined to permit the observation that if we take away black people's right to vote, that would eliminate many problems. I’m absolutely not interested in a substantive debate on that topic at the moment. Rather, I posit that whether or not that is true, conservative posts on that topic are much more likely to risk bans than liberal progressive views.
12-14-2017 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
You have the absolute worst formatting of anyone on this forum. Use the ****ing enter key once in a while.
Remember that he has dozens of posts rallying against liberal indoctrination on campuses across North America, claims to have multiple degrees (but won't post even slight proof or evidence) and never uses paragraphs. Is his caps lock key broken?
12-15-2017 , 12:12 AM
12-15-2017 , 12:51 AM
How will it be assured that hate speech, for example racism, will be deleted fast enough in the new forum? We should be talking about minutes, imo.

That **** must away fast from poisoning the forum.
12-15-2017 , 01:03 AM
A crack team of ninja deleters will be seconded in a specially built bunker ready to pounce at any time 24/7.
12-15-2017 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Really enjoying Howard's pompous condescension while he throws accusations all over the place then refuses to back any of it up.
LOL at this clown. Since when did you ever back anything up when asked?

How many ****ing times have I asked you to back up your accusations? And what happens? Nada, nothing. What a hypocrite.
12-15-2017 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez;53240206[/QUOTE
your presence here is amazing. none of your past or present posting in politics qualifies you to post in the hypothetical forum and you already have an existing forum to post in, yet you relentlessly tard up this thread and the previous two that were locked
Any new forum will still have libs outnumbering conservatives by a large number. So when you or sushy or any conservative post there, not sure you guys or me... will make the cut if its high content, it will still be a mob to contend with.

It was the same in RGT with the number of atheist to theists. Basically you need to do what the theists there did and grow a thicker and stop being soft.


It also helped to have a theist mod when theists there complained about unfair modding in the atheist den. Just saying, for the main forum or a new one.

Last edited by batair; 12-15-2017 at 01:45 AM.
12-15-2017 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
How will it be assured that hate speech, for example racism, will be deleted fast enough in the new forum? We should be talking about minutes, imo.

That **** must away fast from poisoning the forum.
lol. Within a day or two is sufficient. There is some study somewhere about racist graffiti being removed irl in a reasonable amount of time (that I am not willing to search for) that reduces racist graffiti.
12-15-2017 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Remember that he has dozens of posts rallying against liberal indoctrination on campuses across North America, claims to have multiple degrees (but won't post even slight proof or evidence) and never uses paragraphs. Is his caps lock key broken?
no it was way far left of liberal. the lunacy is still happening and its getting worse. your response to this was to follow me around repeatedly accusing me of never even being on a campus. i ignored your idiotic nonsense but you're an eager little beaver and didn't quit. i then finally told you i had ignored you because i was here to discuss ideas not get all weird and personal and that i had two degrees. you then followed me around commenting on all of my posts about me being mr two degrees. you want proof? what? i wouldnt give you proof i have a toaster you social ******

the next thing i see is that you are calling me out because i was ducking to meet you irl. wtf? news to me. why would i want to meet some weirdo SJW from a poker forum with 10's of thousands of posts? as if the invitation wasn't weird enough, you were calling me out for ducking you. i mean you figured i had seen and ignored your previous invitations and were persisting and calling me out when a normal person would take the repeated ignoring as a hint, but not the eager beaver. you are so socially ******ed you actually brought to everybodys attention that you had been following me around trying to meet me irl

do you know how many people have asked a bunch of personal questions and to meet me irl in 9 years of 2p2? just you. you know how many people i have asked personal info and to meet irl? zero. get a grip you socially ******ed freak

ps batair you can stop responding to my posts like its your job. they arent directed at you and your responses are exceptionally useless and uninteresting

Last edited by juan valdez; 12-15-2017 at 10:35 AM.
12-15-2017 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
The use of the word "most" would avoid that confusion if there is any to begin with at all.
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Originally Posted by bundy5
No, the word "most" or the words "the majority" were needed as without them you are suggesting all scientists are left leaning which is completely false.
Dude.

It's not Loki's fault you don't know how to read English. The phrase "scientists lean left" means that the group of scientists contains more liberals than conservatives. It does not, in any form of English, mean "every scientist is slightly left of center".

If I said that, say, "Virginia leans left" would you think I meant every person in Virginia is slightly left of center?

If this is actually how you interpret those statements you are either being deliberately obtuse or you are a ******. Well, combinations thereof are also not ruled out.
12-15-2017 , 10:19 AM
To be fair, bundy is Australian, so there is a bit of a language barrier.
12-15-2017 , 10:23 AM
That is the level of discourse that can be expected in the new forum. It's also the type of behavior that gets posters exiled from the politics forum and then they come into ATF to complain about the moderation:"I am persecuted because I am a conservative!"
No, you got exiled because it is impossible to have an intelligent conversation with you.
12-15-2017 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
LOL at this clown. Since when did you ever back anything up when asked?

How many ****ing times have I asked you to back up your accusations? And what happens? Nada, nothing. What a hypocrite.
So it's ok for conservatives to make baseless accusations but not Liberals?
12-15-2017 , 11:10 AM
fwiw I think I'm going to lock this thread at the end of the day. It doesn't look like it's necessary to leave it open for the full 2 weeks of the poll.
12-15-2017 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by well named
fwiw I think I'm going to lock this thread at the end of the day. It doesn't look like it's necessary to leave it open for the full 2 weeks of the poll.
Fascist
12-15-2017 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez

ps batair you can stop responding to my posts like its your job. they arent directed at you and your responses are exceptionally useless and uninteresting
I was not really responding to your post more using it as a springboard for other conservatives who feel gained up on and mods to think about. At least im posting on topic. Also ill post to who i want. If you dont like my words use the ignore feature and block them from your snowflake ears.
12-15-2017 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Fascist
Can't recall that slur itt.

Also, which thread will be the next ATF (LC) politics one?
12-15-2017 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
Can't recall that slur itt.

Also, which thread will be the next ATF (LC) politics one?
I'm joking obv.

Also, the correct response is Hag.
12-15-2017 , 01:18 PM
Revisionist Historian vs Poker Historian.

      
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