Just Asking Questions already, off to a good start imo

Don't go full idiot.

Wait What, did VMF eat a perma for real?

The only other alternative you have for this is to replace all the mods in P with well named.

You may not have noticed that WN liked Pv7.0 and the rules are an evolution of the rules we worked on together. I've no doubt he will do a better job than I did and I look forward, if it goes ahead, to seeing how he resolves the problem of enforcing the rules in a reasonable fashion.

I doubt he will have a problem with me. I suspect he will be less tolerant than I was of posters who were just trying to cause trouble for the forum. We will see.

Fly's posting in P is reason enough for this new forum. It is so off the chart he even attacks his own side for asking the hard questions (such as why Hillary lost the election). I mean - what is that?

wn is about 18 times smarter than you or I am, and also works at least a couple of orders of magnitude harder than we do on posting quality. So there is that.

I've also heard, but this is just a rumor, that he has nice hair.

I just worry that him doing the whole moderating thing will take him away from doing important stuff.

Smarter, harder working and now nice hair!

Perhaps he does deserve the forum

This idea is insane. Your basic complaint comes down to the idea that a small subset of people don't like the general posting style in the existing politics forum and believe it has become too much of an echo chamber, so you want to form your own separate echo chamber. Politics like pretty much all topics encompassed on this site is about engaging with the other side or those with differing opinions. If the thought process of the posters in a particular forum is so heavy to a certain opinion, then engage to find out why they are of that opinion and either change your mindset or attempt to persuade them to your side.

Most of us came to this site originally for poker. One of my first conversations on this site was taking a stance of a belief I had in a way a hand should be played, and the echo chamber of 2+2 limit hold em at the time shouted me down, I engaged in the discussion and eventually came to the conclusion that I was likely incorrect in my opinion of the correct way to play the hand and learned from that discussion. If I had instead requested that a new forum be setup for people who shared my viewpoint I would have learned nothing and this site would be terrible.

When I was a mod in SE our largest thread was the NBA thread. That thread was filled with a lot of great thinkers, some of whom went on to work for NBA teams. That thread became the megathread it was due to daily arguments over every detail of NBA teams, players, analysis, etc. Somehow we all survived without a group breaking off and demanding their own NBA thread to rival the echo chamber of NBA conversation that had taken over SE.

To get right to the central point of this, there's no overlooking that regardless of what reasons you claim, or how many times you claim you're not really proposing anything just trying to find things out, what you're actually proposing is a new Alt-Right White Nationalist Politics Forum to replace the Alt-Right White Nationalist Politics Forum that was shut down because the participants of the Alt-Right White Nationalist Politics Forum are rightfully shamed for being Alt-Right White Nationalists when they're forced to leave their Safe Space Echo Chamber of other Alt-Right White Nationalists.

So instead of setting up another Politics forum that will do nothing but be another detraction to 2+2, how about you all go engage in the Politics forum that exists and actually engage in real discussion and maybe you'll learn something.

This seems unrelated to well named in the same way as a dog is unrelated to some metaphor that has nothing to do with a dog.

Very good post Meb. There are many of us who have spent a decade or more posting on this site. Most of us joined in our late teens or early 20s and have grown up on this site. Looking back ~10 years we will find posts we have made where we were much worse at poker, had different views on politics, but we grew and had many conversations with many different people.

This has been a great community, which is a step above the_donald subreddit or 4chan. We don't need a special section which becomes that and welcomes that clientele.

Fly should have been banned years ago, and if he had been a conservative poster there is not a chance in hell he would still be allowed to post in P. The personal attacks that he is allowed to get with away are an absolute disgrace. If anyone wants an example of the grossly biased moderating in that forum look no further.

It is one of the most amazing things in history that bundy and Sushy are mad at Fly for him questioning people about their support of Hillary Clinton with respect to how she lost an election to Donald Trump. These people are Trump supporters that bashed Hillary for an entire campaign! They're literally mad that..their worst posts were proven like, 30% correct?

Bundy or Broadway, can you cite specific posts that you think should be moderated? Are you aware their is a "report post" button? Aren't you also infamous for reporting posts?

Those posts just show their entire world view with respect to politics. It's a team game. You don't "attack" your own "team." Hillary Clinton lost an election to Donald Trump while her team showed brazen incompetence profiled in a book and multiple since interviews? Against the pale to talk about that and go after your own team. That's why they want their own private forum, where all the deplorables can huddle up and call white nationalist plays because they're all 9 concussions deep.

The sushys and bundys and aurals of the world don’t come to engage, they come to make libruls mad. That’s it. That’s why they’re not welcome where the adults post. Because trolling and ****posting are against the rules of that forum and that’s how they want to engage with “the other side.”

They have Reddit if they want to ****post. Lord knows most of their lol youtubes and conspiracy theories come straight from the_donald.

In actuality, most of the posters in P7 were liberals or progressive/socialist, including all three of its moderators. The conservatives in P7 held fairly mainstream GOP ideology. If well named starts a new forum, I would be very surprised if liberals and progressives didn't dominate it as well.

Different forums have different norms around what topics can be discussed and how they are discussed. There is nothing wrong with wanting a different style of political discussion than you find in Politics Alpha. That's one of the reastons we've had a second political forum for many years, and separate political threads in other forums.

Being worried about well named running a forum is weird.

My post was solely about the frequent personal attacks against other posters Fly is allowed to get away with. Nothing else.

Oh, and you still owe money to that animal shelter, by the way.

The first two sentences are just not true. Can you point me to a thread that was progressive or socialist in nature? Nearly all the threads were started by people who were alt right in ideals, and sometimes because their views were so reprehensible it attracted 3 "progressives" for every deplorable to refute their views, but your claims just aren't correct.

I claimed that most of the posters in P7 were liberals or progressive/socialist. Here is a list of top posters by volume. By my count, only 8 of the top 25 are libertarian or conservative, with the rest falling somewhere in the liberal to socialist range. So I don't agree with you that my claim was false.

Many of the topics discussed were central to progressive and socialist ideas, eg gender and racial equality, the role of immigration and immigrants, the results of the 2016 election, the nature of privilege, etc. If you want a specific example, here's a thread on the gender pay gap.

EDIT: As for whether they were alt-right in ideals, my own view that the alt-right in ideals is fairly mainstream GOP ideology at this point.

I haven't heard he would be banned from the beginning, like Tooth and Fly?

Sushy and bundy will have to qualify for a potential ban.

I'm curious if you are voting no, you don't want another politics forum, or no, you won't participate in well named's poorly named forum?

But, that's not what happened at all. The threads weren't about progressive or socialist values. That *never* happened. The "gender pay gap" thread was almost exclusively about other issues. Same with the "racial equality" and "immigration" threads. The thread titles were titled in ways to not get it auto locked, but they were almost exclusively made by alt right posters.

The entire cycle was that a deplorable would make some alt right post about Richard Spencer being a great human being or something, then like 3 people laughing at him. That doesn't make it a progressive place just because 3 progressive people objected to Richard Spencer being called an intellectual.

If you think the alt right ideology permeates the current GOP and that the breitbart strain has mainstream support among GOP at large right now, sure. That doesn't automatically mean that those clearly bigoted ideas deserve equal footing and representation solely due to their current authority.

If you go through with this awful, awful idea I'd have one suggestion. Only Well Named gets to make new threads. People can PM him and make suggestions, but otherwise you get what P7 was, which was alt right people making threads about "immigration" which was just pure xenophobia but confuses people like Original Poster into thinking it was some socialist thread.

Really? I would like to see a quote to support this claim.

Broadway, what do you disagree with Spencer or Gorka on, policy wise?

Tell you what. You answer my question first and then I'll answer yours. Deal?

And if you are proved to be lying again, then you pay double your outstanding debt to the animal shelter.