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New forum for arguing about politics, society, and culture? New forum for arguing about politics, society, and culture?
View Poll Results: Would you participate in the new forum?
Yes!
37 27.01%
Perhaps. See my comments in thread.
11 8.03%
Probably not.
13 9.49%
Hell no! Lock thread; ban OP.
57 41.61%
Bastard
19 13.87%

12-14-2017 , 02:04 AM
as long as well named is the main mod I'm all for it
12-14-2017 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Once you've sobered up, would you mind actually addressing zikzak's question?



Given that this is allegedly the entire raison d'etre for you inflicting another chezzfront re-boot on us, it's rather surprising that you keep ducking the question.
Who says you have to read the forum? It seems you like P - why don't you stay in the confines of that?
12-14-2017 , 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
Who says you have to read the forum? It seems you like P - why don't you stay in the confines of that?
Out of curiosity, do you actually think that a wn will treat you kindly? He is a complete bastard if you say something stupid. He won't quite say that you shouldn't reproduce, but he will imply it.

(please don't reproduce)
12-14-2017 , 06:32 AM
I voted "perhaps, see my comments in this thread."
12-14-2017 , 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
Out of curiosity, do you actually think that a wn will treat you kindly? He is a complete bastard if you say something stupid. He won't quite say that you shouldn't reproduce, but he will imply it.

(please don't reproduce)
I really don't care - I think I have said before I just want this new forum to get up so that people can discuss political topics on a level playing field compared to how it is at the moment in P where members pretty much have to post to appease Wookie's political views.
12-14-2017 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
LOL. Look dude. I'm not too worried about my feelings or civility, but if there's one thing I can't abide it is liars. And you are most certainly one of those. That's a stone cold fact.

You should be ashamed of yourself, especially being a mod.
Do you have proof that your mother wasn't a Klan member?

Last edited by TiltedDonkey; 12-14-2017 at 10:25 AM. Reason: can't help myself
12-14-2017 , 10:30 AM
token right winger "cant abide by liars" while he gets his world view from foxnews
12-14-2017 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
If he does it correctly, it won't be a full-time job. "No content" -> delete, "being an *******" -> delete, "no argument detected" -> delete, "data disconfirms your idea," -> "well, actually" response post by wn. BtM2 says something witty -> wn lets that slide.

I only know one person who is (maybe) better at actuallying* people than wn.

*this word is trademarked
You clearly show co-modding potential.
12-14-2017 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by well named
I was going to go back and see if there was anyone I owed a reply to but it doesn't really look like it? I was certain there was, but I've forgotten what and it's not obvious on skim. So, ask again if I missed something.

Also looks like I've missed some super high quality posting :P

One thing that's not a response to any question but which I was thinking about last night, or previously, by way of ideas for the forum: at one point in RGT we had a couple of "formal" one-on-one debates, one of which I participated in. It actually didn't really work out that well, but I was pondering the idea of something similar. Probably still one-on-one but probably less "formal". So imagine a couple folks could sign up for a one-on-one debate which would take place between the two participants in one thread. No one else can post in that thread, but there would also be a somewhat-more-LC kibitzing thread for people who were interested. Maybe even some kind of poll to pick a winner. A debate thread would have somewhat more defined rules about citations and providing evidence than a normal thread. Stupid idea?
I like the idea although I have no idea how successful it would be.

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Originally Posted by well named
Also, if you get bored with the usual bickering I would be interested in people posting reactions to the poll results. One of the questions/persistent complaints about the idea of a new forum was that there was no demand for it beyond a handful of bad exiled posters. Do the results support that view or challenge it iyo?
Challenge it. For sure, there is demand from the exiled posters but there are also a bunch of non-exiled posters who voted yes. I think the history of PU/P7 also proves that a bunch of the "Hell no!" people will post there too.

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Originally Posted by well named
Or, from another angle, I think the number of "hell no" votes, alongside a lot of the posting in this thread, definitely suggests another challenge, which is whether a forum can succeed, even though it has enough of its own posters, if there's a large group of non-posters who really want it to fail?
Sure it can. I think that exiling posters who are clearly trying to cause the forum to fail is a good idea. It is not what ultimately caused P7's demise, but a big problem with P7 was the volume of posters who posted just to ***** about the existence of the forum itself or how much they didn't like chezlaw.

Note that doesn't mean someone couldn't post there if they didn't think the forum should exist. Just if they are actually trying to get the forum shut down.

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Originally Posted by well named
I don't know how to weight the yes votes against the no votes. When I suggested a poll I hadn't worked out in advance exactly what I wanted to see. I sort of expected to see a lot of no and little yes, and if it was too lopsided that way I wouldn't have to think about it. Now I have to think about it...
I think the "no" votes should be given basically no weight at all, unless you actually agree with their reasoning. I think pretty much all of their problems could be solved by just not going into the new forum.

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
So I'd say you can call him a racist w/o having caused the profanity filter to fire.
Are you really triggered by censored profanity?

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Given that this is allegedly the entire raison d'etre for you inflicting another chezzfront re-boot on us, it's rather surprising that you keep ducking the question.
Just don't read the forum, idiot. Then it isn't inflicted on you.
12-14-2017 , 11:03 AM
I am so mad when I go into a restaurant and there is sushi on the menu. I don't like sushi. WHY ARE THEY INFLICTING IT ON ME??
12-14-2017 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
I am so mad when I go into a restaurant and there is sushi on the menu. I don't like sushi. WHY ARE THEY INFLICTING IT ON ME??
I think LouisC's analogy of bikers showing up to his local bar was a pretty apt rebuttal of this argument.

I'd rather 2p2 stopped trying to cater to white supremacists. I don't think that's good for the community or the brand. I think people who didn't post or read PU can have valid objections to people posting Britain First propaganda there.
12-14-2017 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
You clearly show co-modding potential.
Yes, let’s keep cycling through SMP folk who are still participating in the great BruceZ revenge scheme
12-14-2017 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I think LouisC's analogy of bikers showing up to his local bar was a pretty apt rebuttal of this argument.

I'd rather 2p2 stopped trying to cater to white supremacists. I don't think that's good for the community or the brand. I think people who didn't post or read PU can have valid objections to people posting Britain First propaganda there.
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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
Think of 2+2 as your favorite bar.
I don't want a biker gang hanging out there every day just looking to pick fights. Even if I personally can avoid getting into a fight by just ignoring them.
I also don't want nazis(*) holding their gatherings there. It doesn't matter if they are in a separate room where they discuss if black people are genetically inferior or just lazy, and I can avoid ever seeing them. I don't want my favorite bar to be known as the place where nazis are welcomed with open arms.
I don't know why Mat insists on keeping the *******s around at a great cost to the overall quality of 2+2.


*used as short-hand for all the right wing fringe groups and their sympathizers



The bolded is the perfect motto for the new forum.
No, I mean, this would make sense if it were actually a forum for nazis, but it's clearly not, and anyone who thinks P7 had a "great cost to the overall quality of 2+2" is delusional.
12-14-2017 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
You clearly show co-modding potential.
But does BTM have nice enough hair to deserve it?
12-14-2017 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
No, I mean, this would make sense if it were actually a forum for nazis, but it's clearly not....
OK, but the last time we tried this the forum got shut down for having too much Nazi propaganda.
12-14-2017 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
OK, but the last time we tried this the forum got shut down for having too much Nazi propaganda.
Which supports my argument that it is not a forum for Nazis. If it becomes that, it will be shut down as demonstrated by the event to which you refer in your post.
12-14-2017 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I think LouisC's analogy of bikers showing up to his local bar was a pretty apt rebuttal of this argument.



I'd rather 2p2 stopped trying to cater to white supremacists. I don't think that's good for the community or the brand. I think people who didn't post or read PU can have valid objections to people posting Britain First propaganda there.


It sounds like your fault that you over-generalize.
12-14-2017 , 12:33 PM
Keep making good decisions bro!
12-14-2017 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
I am so mad when I go into a restaurant and there is sushi on the menu. I don't like sushi. WHY ARE THEY INFLICTING IT ON ME??
If its disgusting, rotten sushi that stinks up the joint, makes everyone else vomit and dances on the grave of a woman killed counter-protesting white supremacists, then sure of course the other customers have a right to complain.
12-14-2017 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
Which supports my argument that it is not a forum for Nazis. If it becomes that, it will be shut down as demonstrated by the event to which you refer in your post.
The disgusting, rotting sushi was in the forum the whole time, the smell just became unbearable for even Matt when they sympathized with the Nazis after they killed a woman.
12-14-2017 , 01:41 PM
No. Even if I grant your narrative regarding the average post quality in that forum you 100% could not tell that it existed unless you chose to open the forum and read it.
12-14-2017 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
token right winger "cant abide by liars" while he gets his world view from foxnews
I proved with the Flynn- Kushner debacle in that other thread that I've got way better news sources than you clowns.
12-14-2017 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
If its disgusting, rotten sushi that stinks up the joint, makes everyone else vomit and dances on the grave of a woman killed counter-protesting white supremacists, then sure of course the other customers have a right to complain.
LOL
12-14-2017 , 01:59 PM
A lot of sushi discrimination itt. That's racist isn't it.
12-14-2017 , 02:26 PM
It’s now legal for ISPs to refuse to serve websites that dish up hate speech. Is 2p2 sure it wants to take this risk?

      
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