According to the rules, he will get an exile if he keeps up his posting style. Anyway, who here can honestly say that the time away that will be enforced won't be good for him and maybe he can reflect on actually posting in a way that is respectful to other people while still making his point.

Respectful? What the **** are you talking about?

Your snowflake ass is not going to find a safe space here.

But not in lieu of excessive abuse - I know which one will take priority.

You'd also better look for the section of the rules (it might as well be "the bundy rule") that posting only to crap on Muslims will get you removed.

Ok sure - like I have said numerous times before my post had nothing to do with denigrating Muslims.

Think of 2+2 as your favorite bar.
I don't want a biker gang hanging out there every day just looking to pick fights. Even if I personally can avoid getting into a fight by just ignoring them.
I also don't want nazis(*) holding their gatherings there. It doesn't matter if they are in a separate room where they discuss if black people are genetically inferior or just lazy, and I can avoid ever seeing them. I don't want my favorite bar to be known as the place where nazis are welcomed with open arms.
I don't know why Mat insists on keeping the *******s around at a great cost to the overall quality of 2+2.


*used as short-hand for all the right wing fringe groups and their sympathizers

The bolded is the perfect motto for the new forum.

Why do you feel entitled to respect? If you want to be respected you need to earn it by posting in ways that other people appreciate. If you can't do that in the new forum you aren't going to get any more respect there than you do elsewhere, nor should you.

apparently gold participation stars were a thing before all those entitled milennials came about...?

who woulda thought? not like right wingers are textbook cases of projection or anything

Sorry, 2+2 doesn’t host homophobic joke forums, try reddit.

Don’t fall in the trap of engaging chez on mod talk WN!

I thought WN said we weren't going to be discussing fly anymore ITT?

You just didn’t give a **** if a few hundred thousand were killed in a questionable war...

Fly has plenty of on topic/non-trollimg abuse to dole out. You guys make it way too easy

we've found the name for the new forum

10-9-8-7-ignition-5-4-3-2-1-liftoff, we have a liftoff...

The countdown to the forum brings back the days of Apollo.

best of luck to you. the nazi hunters are off their leash. this will be 3 threads in a row they get locked up. they need something to direct their bitterness and resentment at so if you go ahead, you're going to have a lot of housekeeping to get it off the ground

i highly recommend that if you go ahead you distinguish levels of attack. for example idiot, moron, ******, loser, etc should be treated much different than much more serious accusations and insults such as nazi, kkk, the ists, and phobes. the latter results in endless derails and low content as we have seen in 3 straight threads. the same mob of loons with a history of low content have tarded everything up with their version of tourette's

Refer to my previous posts clarifying that

If you cared it wouldn’t have needed clarification...

I definitely support this for the drama. It's pretty obviously a terrible idea. If someone wants to have a discussion about politics, there is a forum right here at 2+2. Yes, there are some racists who have been banned from that forum, and I guess it would be trainwreck level engaging to give them a safe space for a bit just to see what happens (hint: we know what happens), but other than that this fluff about respectful debate is nonsense. Do that in politics 1.0 if you want.

sorry, they can't do that because despite all facts to the contrary, modern conservatism relies on myths and fantasies for their day to day decision-making.

On the one hand I'm interested in well named's ideas for the forum and on the other I'm fearful of them disintegrating once the reality of the new forum becomes obvious so I'm abstaining at the moment.

I haven't read the thread yet; voted yes on new forum. As I've stated before, I like the main politics forum a lot but I do feel it tends to drive away anyone right of center in today's (American) political environment. A lot of this is due to the insane levels of polarization (i.e. the people who are right of center are disproportionately waaaay right of center) and also due to the fact that a lot of those people are horrible ****posters. That being said, I enjoy arguing with the conservative viewpoints.

I think the downsides that people have previously expressed are way overblown. Worst case scenario is basically that it devolves into neo-nazi land and needs to be closed again. Many people seem to think that is some huge catastrophe that will permanently damage 2p2. Mostly outside of some nutjobs I don't think that much of anyone is going to observe some post in a politics forum and then assume that it reflects the opinions of site management. Most will not be deterred from posting in other areas of the site if that is what they came here to do.

I don't know what the chances of success are, but I think good moderation can avoid the "catastrophic" failure described above. Thus, with good moderation, the real worst case is that we end up exiling all the posters who were exiled from the main forum and the subforum just dies due to lack of traffic. I think this is a real possibility, but it doesn't seem like reason enough to not give it a shot.

But the gang's all here, in this thread (well, maybe not all of them, as George Segal observes at the end of The Quiller Memorandum), and so are you. And these ATF threads have generated obvious interest and traffic.

Maybe you missed it, but not long ago in P1 someone turned up and posted a ridiculous spam essay citing 'Dr David Duke' about how black people have lower IQs. After a while it got deleted and presumably the poster was banned. I doubt well named would handle such a matter any differently.

Because those posters who remain haven't done anything strictly bannable yet, and because, when there isn't a containment forum, they tend to invade other forums so that people from the Dishwasher Maintenance and Flatpack Furniture Best Buys forums bug Mat about the alt-panzer divisions parking their tanks on the lawn.

As for 'the overall quality of 2+2', with its Murrcanoid ultra-nationalist warcries of 'loleuros' and 'USA#1' and its vicious attitude to those with mental disabilities -- none of these things being all that normal in Americans that you actually meet in real life, and all of them being basically more than a bit Nazi -- you must be bloody joking.

So any idea when this forum is starting?

I apologize I've been really busy the last couple of days, and have been slow to respond to stuff in this thread. I'm trying to rescue a project that was in danger of missing a deadline. I should have more time starting tomorrow.

My plan is to evaluate the poll results and the thread maybe at the end of the week, and if we decide to go forward (I imagine I'll solicit some other input on the outcome of this thread from other mods and Mat) then I'd probably try to launch it Jan. 2nd.