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New forum for arguing about politics, society, and culture?

View Poll Results: Would you participate in the new forum?

Yes!

37 27.01%

Perhaps. See my comments in thread.

11 8.03%

Probably not.

13 9.49%

Hell no! Lock thread; ban OP.

57 41.61%

Bastard

19 13.87%

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12-11-2017 , 02:27 PM

#376

kerowo

lolcat

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 37,190

Quote:

Again, I have not read another poster on 2p2 that without provocation are as consistently vitriolic towards other posters as FlyWf. He is not just normal 2p2 rough and ready. He bullies people, often maliciously mocking their lack of education, their race and social class, their lack of money, and so on.

This is obviously untrue as I know you’ve read Wil’s posts before, which is much worse than fly’s.

12-11-2017 , 02:29 PM

#377

juan valdez

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,686

Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

No one watches YouTube, they should be banned from politics.

it took you literally 1 minute to respond to the post with some dip**** hot take. this is why there is a demand for another forum. you just finished contributing to a mob of loons hysterically locking threads. you spent a full day cluelessly pissing about a straight forward flynn headline while people told you to take your head out of your ass. this post is how you habitually post. nothing about your past or present posting style even qualifies you to post in well named's hypothetical forum. it doesn't interfere with your existing forum. stop acting like a shrieking disaster

12-11-2017 , 02:33 PM

#378

Bobo Fett

Carpe Diem

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 56,896

Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

Really? It’s the difference between a tone problem and a spam problem. Some one incorrectly teeing off on people is a much different problem than someone calling out bad posters or bad positions.

Yes, really.

I mean, sure, I guess implying it isn't relevant was going a little far, but your post seemed pretty dismissive of his points, as if it was OK for Fly to be as abusive as he wants to be, as long as he is right.

12-11-2017 , 02:36 PM

#379

juan valdez

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,686

Quote:

Originally Posted by Original Position

Yes, the correct interpretation.

Again, I have not read another poster on 2p2 that without provocation are as consistently vitriolic towards other posters as FlyWf. He is not just normal 2p2 rough and ready. He bullies people, often maliciously mocking their lack of education, their race and social class, their lack of money, and so on.

don' forget that when fly sees a picture of another posters daughter, he tells the other poster that she's ugly

"progressives" claiming compassion all day, yet somehow they always seem to act bitter and resentful

12-11-2017 , 02:41 PM

#380

juan valdez

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,686

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

the logic is actually pretty easy to follow

the problems with echo chambers...

Quote:

Originally Posted by juan valdez

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1831

12-11-2017 , 02:48 PM

#381

Lattimer

I is smart

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 15,463

Quote:

Originally Posted by well named

I would appreciate it if the few people who have dominated the last 3 or 4 ATF threads on this general subject didn't spam this thread with noise.

juan - Not that I'm calling your posts noise, but I think you've made your position abundantly clear over the past few weeks, and rehashing the same complaints isn't productive. I think the primary reason for this thread was to get new feedback from other people.

12-11-2017 , 02:50 PM

#382

Trolly McTrollson

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 36,796

WTF does "bullying" even mean in the context of a poster with no mod powers? Did his asterisks take your lunch money?

Man, we have a rape apologist posting in the politics sexual harassment thread right now, but somehow fly using swears is literally the worst thing anyone has seen on 2p2.

12-11-2017 , 02:53 PM

#383

kerowo

lolcat

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 37,190

Quote:

Originally Posted by juan valdez

No. One. Looks. At. Conservative. YouTube. Videos. Except. Conservatives. They are worthless as supporting elements for arguments because no one is going to try and watch 40 minutes of ****ty video to find the three sentences of support for the inferiority of whichever race you’re denigrating.

12-11-2017 , 02:53 PM

#384

BroadwaySushy

banned

Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 3,237

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

WTF does "bullying" even mean in the context of a poster with no mod powers? Did his asterisks take your lunch money?

He's enabled by the mods of that forum to personally attack people, against the rules. So, in effect he has got mod powers.

12-11-2017 , 02:55 PM

#385

well named

poorly undertitled

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 78,077

juan, kerowo: I'd appreciate it if you halted that particular derail before you get going too far. I don't care about whether yootoobz should be banned or not at the moment.

12-11-2017 , 02:57 PM

#386

bundy5

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Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 8,141

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loki

If someone had reported inso breaking the rules, yes, he probably would get a temp ban. I can’t speak for Wookie, but I’m pretty sure both Tom and myself try to get a sense of context and, if it is noticed that others broke rules around the reported post, they’ll receive mod action as well.

Yes, had that been reported it would have been acted upon.

You guys seem to think mods will read literally every post in every thread, I’m just pointing out that’s not feasible, hence why reporting posts is so important to helping mods do their jobs.

The fact that you participate in the discussions makes it less important to report posts.

12-11-2017 , 02:57 PM

#387

juan valdez

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,686

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lattimer

my post directly answers the question that i quoted, what would or could be discussed in an alternative forum? on top of that, it demonstrates that mainstream topics and ideas (biology) get you banned. this demonstrates both the biased moderating and the need for another forum that isn't moderated that way

my post was one of the most on point and detailed posts in the entire thread. you don't seem like a bad person but get a clue

this includes 3 posts dealing with the drivel responses to my post. stay unbiased

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/m...sted&t=1698017

Last edited by juan valdez; 12-11-2017 at 03:24 PM.

12-11-2017 , 02:59 PM

#388

BroadwaySushy

banned

Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 3,237

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky

a thread and poll about fly might be in order?

Not really. If you had any kind of insight at all you would realize his posting style, and more importantly enabling of it, is problematic for your site.

Last edited by BroadwaySushy; 12-11-2017 at 03:07 PM.

12-11-2017 , 03:00 PM

#389

Trolly McTrollson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

He's enabled by the mods of that forum to personally attack people, against the rules. So, in effect he has got mod powers.

Man, just the other day you were mocking suzzer because he goes to a therapist. GTFO with this insincere tone policing.

12-11-2017 , 03:01 PM

#390

juan valdez

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,686

Quote:

Originally Posted by well named

juan, kerowo: I'd appreciate it if you halted that particular derail before you get going too far. I don't care about whether yootoobz should be banned or not at the moment.

neither do i. my post highlighted the biased moderation which is a justification for an alternative forum. i backed that up with information. it also highlighted the mainstream discussions that could be had in an alternative forum that can't be had in the existing P forum. his response also highlighted the proposed moderation rules that curb idiotic empty derail posts, so i responded

12-11-2017 , 03:02 PM

#391

BroadwaySushy

banned

Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 3,237

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Man, just the other day you were mocking suzzer because he goes to a therapist. GTFO with this insincere tone policing.

Which I apologized for.

12-11-2017 , 03:04 PM

#392

bundy5

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bobman0330

The way this initiative is being marketed is vague to the point of dishonesty. It appears to me that the goal is to have a forum where people can post right-wing political views without anyone disagreeing with them in a way that would upset them or discourage them from posting them. We've been through all these iterations of the same damn idea, each with its own convoluted theory. First we needed an unchained forum. Then we needed a forum with chez's... particular... moderation approach. Now we need a forum that will do some unspecified different thing to foster some unspecified kind of argument about "politics, society and culture" somehow. Thoughts:

1. Let's cut the bull**** and say what we're trying to do. If this forum is supposed to provide a protected forum for right-wing thought, then just make it the rule that only right-wingers are allowed to start threads there, and everyone else is only able to offer respectful questions. Or do whatever you think needs to be done, but quit pretending it's anything other than what it is. The goal is to allow people to question whether the 13th Amendment is good or whether the age of consent should be 14 or 16 without being made to feel bad about it. So make that the rule and quit wasting everyone's time with the circumlocutions.

2. It would be helpful to understand why exactly we need a protected forum for the ideology that runs the presidency, both houses of congress, and a solid majority of state legislatures, particularly when its manifestations are so profoundly ugly. Seems bad to privilege those kind of ideas for no particular reason.

The forum isn't going to be a protected place for right wing political views that they can be posted in a manner that is free and without challenge. I can't speak for other right wing political posters but I would say that I would relish the idea of a debate but there needs to be a level playing field which is not currently happening in P and which looks like it could very well happen in this new forum proposed and the rules that well named is looking to implement and enforce.

12-11-2017 , 03:16 PM

#393

kerowo

lolcat

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 37,190

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

It was, you haven’t spent enough time with these guys and still assume they are being honest in their posting. I don’t give them that benefit of the doubt anymore. We’re not talking about fly attacking people at random, the people he goes after tend to be making or defending pretty awful points in fairly awful ways.

12-11-2017 , 03:21 PM

#394

kerowo

lolcat

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 37,190

Quote:

Originally Posted by bundy5

The fact that you participate in the discussions makes it less important to report posts.

You shouldn’t assume that. Sometimes it takes a post report for the offense to stand out. Particularly in high volume threads.

12-11-2017 , 03:23 PM

#395

kerowo

lolcat

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 37,190

Quote:

Originally Posted by bundy5

You have yet to show this.

12-11-2017 , 03:24 PM

#396

well named

poorly undertitled

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 78,077

Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

You shouldn’t assume that. Sometimes it takes a post report for the offense to stand out. Particularly in high volume threads.

I'll second this. Leaving aside the issue of people saying they don't trust the mods so they don't bother, I would definitely encourage people to report posts they think should be moderated, even if a mod has the very next post in the thread. It's useful and it only takes a second. This is good advice in general.

12-11-2017 , 03:30 PM

#397

bobman0330

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 24,234

Quote:

Originally Posted by bundy5

So we are going to have two forums with substantially the same set of rules, but one is run by typical lefty mods, and the other is fair and balanced? Why not just close the bad one and have the fair forum? Why would you have two?

12-11-2017 , 03:35 PM

#398

BroadwaySushy

banned

Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 3,237

Good idea.

12-11-2017 , 03:37 PM

#399

Original Position

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,426

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

WTF does "bullying" even mean in the context of a poster with no mod powers? Did his asterisks take your lunch money?

Among other things, it means being consistently vitriolic towards other posters and maliciously mocking their lack of education, their race and social class, their lack of money, and so on.

12-11-2017 , 03:41 PM

#400

confirmedtroll

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Original Position

Among other things, it means being consistently vitriolic towards other posters and maliciously mocking their lack of education

this characterisation seems to offer a free pass for blatant and repetitive uneducated posting, which is one of the plagues of the current political "debates" on 2p2.

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