You certainly are prepared to claim you can support your claims but mostly that’s all you do.

I haven't had any requests yet. Feel free to put me to the test, if you wish. Although on second thoughts, I did provide proof of aoFrantic's lying when requested.

Well named - can you confirm that these sort of wild accusations won't be allowed in the new forum?

Prove he doesn’t support the alt-right.

Um no - my point was solely about differientiating between the lack of intention on the part of the coalition forces during the Iraq War which resulted in thousands of civilian deaths and the intention on the part of terrorists when carrying out their attacks that civilians are absolutely in their targets when we were talking about gun laws. Nothing racist at all - I don't care if they were thousands of jews, asians, africans, americans, etc. that were killed by Coalition forces as no one can equate the same if any level of intent to those deaths as ones caused by terrorists and the like.

Now, that is the substance of the posts but it was the procedure in which I was banned and continue to be exiled which should be the greater reason for this new forum given how you and Wookie operate those forums.

I voted no just because I know that mods will ban posters based on political bias.

It’s nice you figured out a nicer way to say you don’t care about Muslim casualties during the war, the first time wasn’t so nice...

There's an awful lot of off-topic bickering about the same old same old.

I think calling kioshk a nazi is hyperbolic and demanding proof that he isn't is idiotic, and I probably would have deleted that post for being off-topic but I wasn't paying enough attention. I'm not going to delete it now since we're using it to discuss the moderation

I've said this before, but to reiterate: there is not a general rule against calling people racist/nazis/whatever. There is a rule against excessive no-content trolling or abuse. "Excessive" matters there, so the answer to your question is that it depends on the context. In this particular thread, it definitely qualifies as no-content trolling.

Well, of course there is.

I'm the (hypothetical) mod of the forum. How do you know that I will ban you based on my political bias?

well named won't do that.

But I voted no because he's going to allow (and encourage to some degree) insults and personal attacks. It's also why I don't participate in the P forum or the few other P threads; they do have rules against that stuff but the mods don't enforce them.

Kioshk supports the alt-right and is therefore a white nationalist; aka a ****ing nazi. Bundy being asked to prove he wasn't one is echoing the recent trend of Bundy and Sushy to make believe there is no proof they are awful posters and should therefore be allowed to post in politics.

I don't think the proposed rules encourage insults and personal attacks. They tolerate a certain amount of hostility because of the nature of the topics discussed. I mean, I could ban calling someone a moron, but most of the actual moderation debate is about whether or not to allow someone to call someone else a racist (or etc.) and that's quite a bit different.

The rules require people to post substantively, and forbid low-content trolling and abuse. But I also recognize people have strong opinions and imo if a forum is going to allow people to express some (but not all) opinions that many others find deplorable it should also allow people to express their strong disgust with those positions and people who hold them. From my perspective requiring substance is more productive than requiring a fake civility.

kerowo: I'm not interested. Please stay on topic

Well, if you are the only mod and truly unbiased then I could get on board with this forum.

Then again it's probably just going to be hateful rhetoric like this rather than the discussion of ideas and for that reason I'm out. I just have way too good of a life to want to deal with this sort of negativity. Good luck though!

You are right, supporting the alt right is a highly negative world view that leads to poor discussions.

i noticed that mason had a little editorial on 2p2 magazine about bad internet manners. and i agree wholeheartedly.

so i guess the question is, does 2p2 crack down on this stuff even though they've fostered it implicitly for years? OR, just try to isolate it in its own forum?

i would also say a guideline should be that your ideas are reasonably defensible i.e. you say trump is one of the better presidents in recent memory. i mean, what has he actually done? plz advice with details, don't just keep harping on the headline.

How do you never have the self awareness to notice that *every* mod disagrees with you, thinks you have no content posts and just troll, and that doesn't bother you? How do you not realize the only people who ever agree with you are juan and wil, who have been exiled and banned for their disgusting views multiple times?

What do you honestly get from posting on 2p2? On a good day you make a handful of posts, get maybe one deplorable to give you one thumbs up while a dozen normal posters just dunk on you. Why not go to the_donald or 4chan and find a safe space there? What's keeping you on 2p2?

Just *today* you said VMF was harmless and sided with him! Do you not understand this really undermines your nonexistent reputation?

Any time someone responds to his posts he powers up. What does anyone get out of responding to him?

It's a good topic for a political forum and for a culture and society forum.

Down here in the recent national spot of Alabama, we are accused of bad manners for questioning
the representational majority's political religion. So manners ain't always easy in politics and ain't always close to true in society.

Well that would have been my clarification if Wookie gave me a chance to respond but instead banned me and hasn't reinstated me despite it. It is only what I am assuming Wookie's self pride that is preventing him from doing so.

Yeah, well you do have to wonder. I mean they continue to attack me, I curb-stomp them and they come back for more again and again. It really is quite puzzling.

counterpoint: if someone consistently posts in such a manner that nobody gets anything out of responding to or reading their posts, why do we keep them around?

I guess. They're absolutely divorced from reality and mods are on record saying they never post anything substantial and only troll. Dwetzel seems to be in the right track.