I don't know. The purpose of this thread is to find out if there's enough people outside of those lists to support a forum. If I thought those posters were enough I wouldn't want to do this.

How willing I am to allow some (but definitely not all) of those posters to participate -- on a short leash -- is something I'm not entirely sure of. But my preliminary feelings are:

Mongidig - probably not
Wil - no
No Quarter - probably not
Broadway - yes
TS - no
Goofyballer - yes
Bundy - yes (and to your complaint, the rules forbid dehumanizing over-generalizations about large groups of people; a rule I also enforced pretty strictly with regard to posts about Islam in P7)

Personally I don't really give a **** if the new forum goes ahead or not at this stage. It's all starting to seem rather pointless tbh. Just trying to deal with the constant lies in this thread is bad enough. The new forum will just be more of the same.

Just starting to seem pointless, eh? :P

That's true, but not in the way you imagine. What actually happened was that staggeringly offensive and downright fascist posts were made about, for instance, the Westminster Bridge murders in London, but that was fine because Dead Brits Don't Count in the view of American 'liberals' (who are themselves virtually indistinguishable from fascists). And what then happened was Charlottesville, and an American died, and suddenly whole questions of taste and decency, which had never applied to anything that happened in London (because 'loleuros' as US 'liberal' 2p2 posters constantly reiterate, and because no one who doesn't inhabit what US 'liberal' 2p2 posters delight in calling 'USA#1' is really human), became somehow overwhelmingly important.

If you stick to your guns, it may just end up like a low volume SMP style politics forum consisting of OrP, Brian, Howard, the Sklansky's and so forth. Might not be that bad.

I'd post non fruitless content for once in there.

Are you using "liberal" in scare quotes to refer to US conservatives? Because yes, US conservatives don’t care about anyone outside the US being killed, unless they can use it as a reason to hate brown people more.

I think this thread (so far) is further reinforcing that there really isn't - and most people that want to post about politics do so in politics (and do so without getting banned/exiled) or whatever subforum they come from's politics.

It's literally the same ~5 white nationalists/racists/clowns or white nationalists/racists/clowns sympathizers crying about the same thing over and over again that want a new forum and that won't change until 2p2 has a forum that allows blatant racism (which I assume will be never).

Can you name those 5 white nationalists with proof please?

Lol like everything in this post is so wrong and could not be more wrong I'm not sure where to start.

Is USA#1 even a thing in politics? Pretty sure that's an SE thing and it's almost always used in jest.

Nah. You're not worth the time and it can be very easily found. If you are too dumb to figure out who these people are/might be through lurking the forums and basic reading comprehension, it's a you problem.

Hint: your post here would qualify as white nationalists sympathizing, as far as I'm concerned.

Instead why don't you give us the big list of non-nationalists posters/sympathizers currently unable to post in P since you seem to think there is a massive problem with P moderation and a large abundance of people that fall in this category? Burden of proof should be on team white nationalists here - that much I am sure of.

Lol

Seems like this needs an asterisk

Not sure how you get banned/exiled with such high quality posts. Has to be the LIBRUL MODS.

El D, do you think having two politics forums in order to accommodate different posting styles, desired level of discussion and topics of interest could be worthwhile, just as there are four community forums and not just OOT?

I think this it's a terrible idea because it's never going to be anything more than a place for people who like to be racist just ask questions and others who like to argue with racists endlessly answer questions. But in theory, a politics forum where people can engage in higher-level nuanced political discussion than goes on in Politics (similar, I think, to why The Lounge and EDF were created) sounds reasonable, even though it's ceiling will be BBV4L-level discussion and its floor is Stormfront.

you didn't even attempt to curb empty content posts and endless hurling of labels absent of evidence, never mind fail. the actual concept of your forum was to speak about "vulnerable groups" differently which has your warped maternal/feminine ideology built in to it

if we look at the locking of the last few ATF threads with the same regular customers, the story is clear. this is the same mob that made nazi presence the #1 complaint of the old P7 forum. when challenged, the mob went quote mining and all they could find is someone disagreeing with their conspiracy theory that gorka was a closet nazi. somehow in some bizarre twist of logic, by not believing the conspiracy theory makes you a closet nazi. that same mob has polluted thread after thread with nazi hysteria. been asked for evidence and come up empty. they were just challenged to explain a simple headline and the entire mob failed to even attempt that. instead a whole mob of them hurled insults and demanded someone do the work for them under the premise that they get to claim someone else is wrong until they prove they are right. what they do is consistently hurl hate and hateful labels at people. thats the common thread here. in P7 through all the locked ATF threads they have an astonishing track record of this behavior. just never articulating a point or argument and looking for someone or thing to hate

people have to have noticed how weird it is that the mob failed to produce evidence for the #1 complaint of the forum. it wasnt a replacement of the politics forum, it was an alternative. they didnt need to read it and it didnt interfere with the existing forum.... so why all the shrieking? because thats what they do. thats why they keep coming to ATF to shriek, thats what they do. now they are highly defensive of a hypothetical forum being created that they dont need to read or participate in, and which wouldn't interfere with the existing safe space. its clearly the manifestation of bitterness and resentment driving them to shriek outrage and control dialogue. this is also true irl at the moment. the issues we see on 2p2 are the same issues we see on college and university campuses across the west. these aren't random weirdo bloggers, these people are going to be the future and they are supposed to be the most highly educated class of society. its a real issue and its serious. i personally got banned for "sexism" and have posted the offending post a number of times. nobody including the mod can come up with an explanation. thats exactly what is happening at universities. for example, the radical left have made the claim that mainstream biologists are wrong and that there is infinite genders. you cant even argue with the leftist mob on this issue. im serious. the argument itself is "violence" and by doing so on a university campus you are in serious trouble. in canada to argue mainstream biology views may actually be illegal. this is what the SJW movement does. its shutting down speech and arguments before they are even allowed to happen. its happening here on 2p2 and in society. and lets be perfectly clear, the people doing this are doing so behind the shield of victimhood or by using horrible labels as a sword, not actually debating issues. they are claiming compassion but behaving in a very bitter and vindictive way. its the bitter and resentful shrieking and acting it out. its not some coincidence people need to kneel during the national anthem and tear down statues. or that once evidence emerged that michael brown was not an innocent victim that the riots didnt stop. there is an underlying bitterness and resentment and the facts didnt change that. this bitterness and resentment isnt exclusive to the left either, trumps famous words at a rally "what do you have to lose" are just chilling if have any sort of awareness. he played right in to peoples bitterness and resentment (middle america had been gutted by globalization) and many casted an F U vote (michael moore got something right)

the political polarization is actually very serious and quiet dangerous. dialogue is the cure. obviously 2p2 isn't that important but it does mirror what is going in in society. the post below stuck out to me in the regular politics section. it pretty much sums up the climate on here and in society. nobody rebutted the comment because well, the people that would have were systematically been removed by moderation or an unhinged mob off its leash. echo chambers are dangerous and ******ed feedback loops are common. thats why people get extremely weird when they are alone. they actually get no feedback from the world which is a corrective mechanism. same thing with echo chambers

this is just so blind and ignorant. its actually dangerous and its common. i think a ton of government programs, taxing, and spending do a tremendous amount of harm and create far more suffering than they help. i think electing a guy like bernie sanders would have done severe damage to an already fragile economy which would have created a lot of pain and suffering that could last for decades. my arguement isn't that he's evil, its that he is wrong and/or ignorant
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well named i highly recommend that if you do go through with this that you do it right and either let it fail or succeed. don't try to help it succeed. imo the only way it succeeds is that you insta delete baseless attacks and empty posts. they just derail and escalate things in the wrong direction. arguments containing insulting tone or strong language should not censored as long as someone is actually attempting to articulate a thought, argument, or pov. i dont know where the posters capable of doing are going to come from though, as we have seen in P7 and now in ATF, the number of posters that actually formulate arguments vs hurl labels is very small. perhaps there is some reasonable posters in P and other sections of the forum that would appreciate discussion with the usual rubes being sidelined. i guess thats an argument for letting it succeed or fail organically

Labels are fine if they're true and not meant as an insult but as a character descriptor afaik. Juan is a perfect example of one of those highly, blatantly racist guys (from what I've seen of his posting I'm going to go out on a limb and assume he's exiled from P) that doesn't think it's okay to call him what it is because he finds it insulting.

Excellent post juan. Hit the nail on the head.

I could find a lot more then that. Just bigoted takes on Islam could fill a few pages. Add in the bell curve junk and homosexuality/sex with animals treads...oh boy. And we have not even got into physically keeping transgender women, if necessary, out of bathrooms yet.


@well named

If you do it and someone says AA only think racism exists because they have been brainwashed by liberals to think it does, could i say hey thats kind of racist? Or would they get their safe space?

Good delete WN. Thanks.

Of course.

Really? The guy who got P7 closed after he posted anti-Semitic conspiracy theories isn't a hard "no?" This is not encouraging.

Politics doesn’t have a problem with conservative viewpoints, it has a problem with posters who can’t post good. The problem is those have tended towards conservative **** wits who then blame their bannings on their conservative views instead of their awful posting.

Respect for well named.

That seems... unlikely. But I don't see that there's anything particularly wrong with this thread so far.