The purpose of this thread is to gauge interest in a potential new forum, which would be intended in part as an alternative to the current politics forum but also in part just as an experiment which would need to stand on its own.

Please read the description of the new forum (and proposed rules) below, vote in the poll, and offer any feedback you like in this thread. Please also try to stay on topic, i.e. I would appreciate it if the few people who have dominated the last 3 or 4 ATF threads on this general subject didn't spam this thread with noise.

Here is the idea for the new forum:

So...basically a clone of the dumpster fire that is the POG politics thread?

Probably not exactly, since VMF decided to commit suicide by cop :P

I don't know how to answer the question really, it would depend on who the posters were. Some of the things that you dislike about the POG thread would probably be allowed (people arguing positions you think are excessively ridiculous?) and other things wouldn't be (VMF's pizzagating).

The reason I made this thread, fwiw, is to gauge interest. To that end, I think 2+2 is going to make a site-wide announcement about this thread soliciting input. If it turns out that there is not really any interest beyond a handful of posters who are widely viewed as being intolerable then this won't happen. If there's enough interest then maybe it will. I think the answer to that question also goes a long way to answering your question, but I don't know yet what the results will be.

This is a very bad idea.

You should both vote in the poll...

I will when I get off of LOL Tapatalk

So 2p2 wants a second politics forum...again?

People have really short memories.

WN is my boy, and I still think this is the single worst idea for 2+2 that I've heard in years. Honestly, it's hard to imagine a more obvious method of inviting the lowest common denominator of racists, misogynists, trolls, and imbeciles to claim they have the backing and express approval of 2+2 and the high ground about moderation.

It's the worst idea WN has ever had as a moderator.

I'm not currently a moderator so it will just have to be the worst idea I've ever had as a poster instead.

In any case, the entire purpose of this thread is to find that out.

the main clientele of politics 2 will presumably be the small handful of posters that posted so bad they got banned from politics 1, and then got their own special forum, and then posted so bad they got their own special forum shut down

i dont think any amount of careful rule crafting that is going to help these lads not post bad & you're just gonna end up knee deep in a sludge of white nationalist propaganda. again

After carefully pondering the options, I decided trying to be mature.

Voted Bastard.

It might be interesting if there was a fair amount of political philosophy discussion, from my pov, but it seems like it’s going to be another chezfront at worst or regular politics at best (see failed high content threads), and thus probably isn’t necessary as the **** posters who will immediately get exiled because they can’t control their terrible posting will run to ATF to whine about unfair moderation, thus repeating the cycle endlessly.

So this seems like a solution in search of a problem. But it may be interesting if there’s a lot of folks from various sections of the forum at large wh end up participating. Similar to having deep discussions with neighbors you often see but don’t interact with much.

Morph

by the way, a little story for the aggrieved: a few years ago i got a 50 pt infraction from wookie for some BS reason. i did not whine or cry or create a thread in atf demanding satisfaction or request that a new forum be created for me, i simply stopped posting in politardland for about 2 years because i was unhappy with the moderation

(and then the drumpfening happened and i came back)

if you are unhappy with the moderation of a forum then just vote with your feet rather than this endless cryathon imo

Pretty much this.

Are the entitled to defend themselves for the mistake they made when voting for Trump?

Might need a clearer mission statement. The Python sketch doesn't really tell you anything. On the one hand, the Politics forum is fairly monotonous and dull, and only comes into its own when there is a major breaking story in US politics like Flynn turning state's witness. There were certainly days when P7 was more alive than Politics, if 5ive / 6ix or jalfrezi or whoever was on duty in regard to pointing-and-laughing at the 'white nationalists'. On the other hand, P7 was sometimes just gross and featured idiotic screeds that weren't even worth addressing.

At the moment, the white nationalists, so vocal in recent ATF threads (which perhaps gave a preview of what would happen in the proposed Argument Clinic), seem to be strangely silent, in case their open support should deny them that nice new sandpit to play in.

If the only distinguishing feature of the Argument Clinic, as opposed to Politics, is that it would include those white-nationalist posters... well, it depends how other posters exploit the offered entertainment value. If the white nationalists just rant at length unopposed (while carefully not quite breaking the rules), you've got a toxic dumpster fire. If enough other posters turn up to do point-and-laugh duty, it might not be so bad.

Hey man, bundy needs at least 30 hours to cast a carefully-crafted vote. Can’t rush these guys.

I think the sort of forum you envision would be a ghost town. It seems to me that you're setting yourself up for a whole lot of work that, if successful, won't appeal to very many people at all.

I'm also pretty skeptical that there is value to be found in controversial or offensive arguments if everybody would just use their inside voice. Do you have an example or two of topics that typically get shouted down elsewhere which IYO deserve a wider hearing?

LOL. "White nationalists".

I am going to stay out off this thread because WN said he did not want our input. But if this blatant lying continues then I'm going to retaliate. Be warned.

Sushy: Your input is fine. I just don't want 10 pages of pointless bickering. I understand you disagree with people characterizing you as a white nationalist. I'm fine with you making it clear that you disagree with that. I'm also fine with you citing it as an example of something which informs your desire for a different politics forum, just as its fine for others to make that sort of assessment as a reason for not having the forum.

And then after like 2 posts of that, hopefully it's enough. You're going to have to tolerate people weighing in and characterizing you and others in a way you vehemently disagree with. And I'm going to ask them not to troll you beyond offering an opinion on that particular subject in one post. There have already been a thousand posts of back and forth about it, there's no point in having more of it.

Seems a fairly obvious bastard vote, 2+2 has enough bad politics forums as it is

This sounds the same as the pertinent attacks and then move on rule that Pv7.0 had in content threads

How will you handle those who refuse to move on? Timeouts?