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12-15-2017 , 05:32 PM
yeah its propaganda, it says opinion on the top, way goofy is citing it shows its done its job

its tricked goofy and other easy tricked liberals into believing they've found something on trump that can stand on its own and be straight up cited
12-15-2017 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
stuff
Uh, what? Your post manages to be impressively wrong in almost every sentence. Let's begin..

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because regardless of the content it is utterly devoid of value
The content seems relevant to its value.

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they don't reveal methodology,
But they do?

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they don't define timeline
They also do.


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, they don't define variables and don't reveal conflicts.
This is not wrong only because it has no meaning in this context.

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where are they taking the lies from? what doesn't count as something that you can find lie in? what if trump talks more in things you are sampling, does that matter? who is deciding on this, and what are the criteria for it?
Okay. Do you think this kind of sampling bias would produce a 103 to 6 score for two people who lie at the same rate?

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they take the ethos of a scientific paper, with none of the trappings.
Ethos of a scientific paper? It's just a list, man.

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its just propaganda there's no other way around it, its an entirely subjective article they smear the veneer of objectivity on.
Uh, I mean, it's labeled "opinion" and just contain a bunch of subjective words analyzing this, but the graph is fairly objective.



Cliffs: lol bitchibee

Cliffs v2: Jeez, I didn't remember bitchibee being quite this dumb; I guess I look at the past through rose-colored glasses.
12-15-2017 , 05:38 PM
I'm left with burning questions..

1) Did you read the article at all?
2) Why do you think we thought it was a "scientific paper"?
12-15-2017 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
No, racism is when someone says something horrible about a whole race of people. Like when you say all Abos are drunks. It doesn’t need a lot of interpreting, it’s usually pretty straight forward.
It perhaps should be that straightforward, but it's not. The context here is that there is a school of thought within the progressive left that racism is "prejudice plus power." Thus according to that definition, it is literally impossible for an AA person to be racist against whites because the former is a member of an oppressed class.

I happen to think that viewpoint is itself racist, as well as anyone (including an AA person) who would denigrate someone based on race. Of course the progressive might retort I'm the racist for thinking that.

So we have a situation in which two people genuinely think the other is expressing racism. I think it's a legitimate concern as to which side the mods may favor.
12-15-2017 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
keep posting more propaganda goofy, you live in such a bubble you think this **** is actually valid. It's sad really.
Which number is wrong? Trump's or Obama's?
12-15-2017 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
I'm left with burning questions..

1) Did you read the article at all?
2) Why do you think we thought it was a "scientific paper"?
do you understand what words mean, you really think talking about their "big and great standards" defined their methodology?? rofl
I never said that you guys think its a sci paper, I have a little more respect, prob misplaced, in you guys. But what I did say what that by taking on the ethos of a scientific paper (attribute of an object), it has tricked you into thinking that instead of a **** post that the article has objectivity which can be used as an argument.

clearly nyt doesn't have to work very hard to trick people like you esp when they spout nonsense you want to believe.
12-15-2017 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
because regardless of the content it is utterly devoid of value

they don't reveal methodology, they don't define timeline, they don't define variables and don't reveal conflicts.
where are they taking the lies from? what doesn't count as something that you can find lie in? what if trump talks more in things you are sampling, does that matter? who is deciding on this, and what are the criteria for it?

they take the ethos of a scientific paper, with none of the trappings.
its just propaganda there's no other way around it, its an entirely subjective article they smear the veneer of objectivity on.
WAT? What definition of lie/false statement is it alright for Trump to have done 8 or 9 times more than Obama?
12-15-2017 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
yeah its propaganda, it says opinion on the top, way goofy is citing it shows its done its job

its tricked goofy and other easy tricked liberals into believing they've found something on trump that can stand on its own and be straight up cited
Just because it's an opinion doesn't mean it can't be cited. Returning to TDs questions, what exactly is wrong in the article?
12-15-2017 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
WAT? What definition of lie/false statement is it alright for Trump to have done 8 or 9 times more than Obama?
he may have, he may have not. That article does not prove it in any way or form. It is opinion, it's a **** post, which has convinced you guys that the stuff it says is objective

ie propaganda. Thanks for proving my point.
12-15-2017 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by bluesbassman
It perhaps should be that straightforward, but it's not. The context here is that there is a school of thought within the progressive left that racism is "prejudice plus power." Thus according to that definition, it is literally impossible for an AA person to be racist against whites because the former is a member of an oppressed class.

I happen to think that viewpoint is itself racist, as well as anyone (including an AA person) who would denigrate someone based on race. Of course the progressive might retort I'm the racist for thinking that.

So we have a situation in which two people genuinely think the other is expressing racism. I think it's a legitimate concern as to which side the mods may favor.
Give an example of where you think someone is being racist against whitey and we'll see how.
12-15-2017 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
he may have, he may have not. That article does not prove it in any way or form. It is opinion, it's a **** post, which has convinced you guys that the stuff it says is objective

ie propaganda. Thanks for proving my point.
If it's so much propaganda you should have no problem finding actual problems with it. Trump's known for 2 things, small hands and lying all the ****ing time, you're going to have to do better than just yelling "foul" to make anyone think you're anything but a party hack.
12-15-2017 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
Give an example of where you think someone is being racist against whitey and we'll see how.
I'm guessing English isn't your native language? Honest question, not supposed to be an insult.
12-15-2017 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bluesbassman
I'm guessing English isn't your native language? Honest question, not supposed to be an insult.
Ask away, I assume you're racist as **** trying to find a way to claim whitey is getting abused by other races.
12-15-2017 , 06:08 PM
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Ask away, I assume you're racist as **** trying to find a way to claim whitey is getting abused by other races.
So bizarre. No, I don't think "whitey" is getting abused and you totally missed my point. Never mind.
12-15-2017 , 06:24 PM
Then make it again. To be clear, I don't think it's impossible for anyone to be racist against a group of people. The idea that you have to be in a position of power over someone for it to "count" is pretty stupid. I think when someone starts to talk about AA being racist against whites it's usually just cover for something else or some attempt to mitigate treatment against AA.
12-15-2017 , 06:31 PM
The usual suspects getting sucked in by fake news again, I see.

Lol goofy.
12-15-2017 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
The usual suspects getting sucked in by fake news again, I see.

Lol goofy.
I'm sure you'll come along and answer TDs questions like Bitchibee, since it's so obviously fake and wrong
12-15-2017 , 07:04 PM
Lol. It's a grossly biased opinion piece which goofy presented as legitimate news.
12-15-2017 , 07:06 PM
Those are some pretty nasty terms to be throwing around so lightly. Do you have proof?
12-15-2017 , 07:07 PM
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Lol. It's a grossly biased opinion piece which goofy presented as legitimate news.
Which specific lies do you disagree are lies? Which Obama lies were omitted?
12-15-2017 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
Then make it again. To be clear, I don't think it's impossible for anyone to be racist against a group of people. The idea that you have to be in a position of power over someone for it to "count" is pretty stupid. I think when someone starts to talk about AA being racist against whites it's usually just cover for something else or some attempt to mitigate treatment against AA.
No you don't have to be in a position of power to be a racist but a person who has a position of power shouldn't be judging who a racist is if they are blinded by their own prejudices.
12-15-2017 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
they take the ethos of a scientific paper, with none of the trappings.
Legit can't tell if this was meant as a compliment or not.
12-15-2017 , 07:50 PM
goofyballer playing the role of joy behar again

trump definitely lies way too much and is setting world records but the numbers are also misleading. im guessing they used politifact for at minimum part of their data. what politifact does for example is take trump lying about the same thing a half dozen times and count it as a half dozen lies. technically true but misleading. obama loved to hear himself talk also but he didn't have the media hysterically chasing him for quotes in nearly the same manner. that would lead to him only lying once about something instead of a half dozen times. then of course theres just flat out bias of categorizing statements

merry christmas
12-15-2017 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
goofyballer playing the role of joy behar again

trump definitely lies way too much and is setting world records but the numbers are also misleading. im guessing they used politifact for at minimum part of their data. what politifact does for example is take trump lying about the same thing a half dozen times and count it as a half dozen lies. technically true but misleading. obama loved to hear himself talk also but he didn't have the media hysterically chasing him for quotes in nearly the same manner. that would lead to him only lying once about something instead of a half dozen times. then of course theres just flat out bias of categorizing statements

merry christmas
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Separately, we have updated our earlier list of Trump's lies, which also includes repeated falsehoods. This article counts only distinct falsehoods for both Trump and Obama.
They removed duplicates.
12-15-2017 , 08:01 PM
The last 50 or so posts can't be real life. Seriously.

      
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