Broadway,

It sounds like there are some big problems with unfair oppressive mods in the existing politics forum.

Do you think those problems could be fixed by adding wellnamed as a moderator of that forum and punishing/removing mods if they act unfairly?

wil's perma was hilarious. dude went off the deep end and started turboposting his standard leftism is a disease bs in, get this, the friggin programming forum.

so no, it wasnt a "biased leftie mod" who got him. just a regular programming mod in a forum with just about the least amount of trolling and most politeness.

Lmao I don't see hysteria anywhere from anyone.

I honestly do not care if you guys want to revive Stormfront - The 2p2 Edition for another go. I'm just 100% certain how it ends and I like Well Named a lot. Regardless who moderates said forum it is always ending the way PU and p7 did - because racism is against site wide terms and most of the posters that are clamoring for it are indeed racist so it's a pointless exercise and ultimately a waste of Mat's/Well Named's time, even if they're willing to waste that time.

LOL

Victor,

Wait, programming forum mods are also part of the problem? This issue is more pervasive than I realized.

It only "sounds" like this because you don't really know what you are talking about. Now it's a toss up whether you really don't know this or are going to just troll this thread by showing concern to the awful posters so you can keep getting awful posts out of them. Either way, thanks, your input into the new forum is meaningful and welcome.

Lol so you have to be trolling at this point with the "silencing outside voices" comment

Just seems weird that you would come in and stir the pot. To each his own tho. If POG or RGT had a site-wide call for people to give their opinion on creating a subforum, i wouldnt go in there and give an opinion because i recognize that by not even being an occasional contributor, my opinion is pretty much worthless. Particularly about issues pertaining to moderation.

But hey, do you. I have no interest in "silencing" you

About the only way the new forum doesn't end up being the old forum with a new name and mod is if new people start posting in it. Announcing it site wide is an attempt to see if new people who aren't posting in Politics may be interested in the new forum because it's not the Politics forum.

I think his point is that since you never post in politics, then you have no idea what goes on there. how can you judge something that you are never involved in?

I think that most of the posters who are against this dont want to see it turn into unchained/p7 where totally disingenuous trolling took over after the nazi rally and heather heyer death. they think that reflects poorly on the forum and they dont want to be involved in a forum where ppl advocate for such things.

they dont want to mention to their real life friends and acquaintances or other internet forum friends that they frequent 2p2 when there is a forum where non-negligible numbers of posters are aggressively against the rights of muslims, lgbt, and minorities.

me personally I dont care and I do kind of like interacting with the deplorables. you guys have done a ton to shape my world view. I also kind of thought that fly was a bit off his rocker with all of his posts claiming that large portions of the country are racist and that is the number one ideology of many people. interacting with people like you and wil and bitchi and ts made me realize that I was immeasurably wrong and that ofc fly was right.

There is a big problem with one mod in particular. Mat has made it clear that he doesn't want to remove that mod for some reason. Until that is fixed not much will change.

Hence the need for an alternative forum.

There isn't a problem with a specific mod tho. I've never seen a good poster from either side exiled from politics without reason and I've never seen a good poster exiled for no reason in any other forum the whole time I've been here.

This is a you guys problem and shaping it as a mod/OMGLIBRULS problem is (shockingly!) very disingenuous.

Rep,


This issue is apparently so important that there’s an announcement stickied to the top of every forum on this site asking for input. That’s a very rare occurrence in my many years participating on 2p2.

Hence, I’m giving my input. Which is that either there are unfairly silenced voices that deserve more of a forum to be heard on 2p2, or there aren’t.

I think this whole make a new forum idea is silly and sidesteps the basic issue of where the line is of acceptable and desired discussion on 2p2. I think the site as a whole would be better off if Mat (or mason or whoever) took a clear stance on the issue and directed mods accordingly.

What other clear lines are there El D? Porn and Pirating software are the only two I'm really aware of.

Yeah not getting the El D hate. Any 2p2 reg/mainstay interested should be able to give input on any forum, regardless how much or how little they post in said forum.

El D the entire cliffs are: racist people get their delicate little fee fee's hurt when they are rightfully called out as racists and want a forum where they can be as racist as they want without being called racist or getting banned/exiled for racism.

That's literally it. The people who LOL at safe spaces really, really want and need a safe space. It's irony at its finest.

I'm not sure where all the lines are but I am sure horse porn isn't allowed.

Hi El D. You will never get a real idea of the issues unless you start posting in politics for awhile. The hyperbole and distortions are too great.

As you haven't been about much: Yes Pv7.0 had an issue at the end (which was down to me) but overall it had 3 liberal-lefty mods. None of us were or are remotely sympathetic to racism but, speaking for myself at least, I do believe in trying to treat everyone reasonably and fairly even when I profoundly disagree with them. It's tough at times, especially given how real life politics is at the moment.

K,


Somehow 2p2 manages to marshal a defcon 1 level response across the site when a poster even hints at mentioning some blog/book/website/etc of theirs without advertising. I feel like the powers that be could create and enforce some similarly clear lines around acceptable levels of “political” discourse on the site, and imo that would be a better solution than creating yet another new forum.

Timmay,


Right, I get that. My point is simply that Mat/admins either believe they are being banned/exiled for valid reasons or not.

If they agree with the ban/exile reasons, then why is this discussion even happening?

If they disagree, then why not change the standards in the politics forum rather than create a new forum?

While I’m addressing you and other posters itt, as I wrote earlier, the opinion I’m most interested in is Mat’s.

So your input here is that maybe theres a moderation problem, but also maybe then again there's not?

Solid contribution, thanks very much for this quality assessment of the rare and unprecedented situation where literal nazis took over a 2+2 subforum and caused it to be shut down

Howard voted yes.

The issue is settled, there will be a new forum.

May I wish good luck?

Mat's only opinion/preference is whatever causes him the least amount of headache and actual work, because he is only slightly less clueless about the state of moderation in the politics forums as you are

And this isnt an insult to him, its essentially what he has already admitted in so many words

I'm honestly not sure and maybe Mat/Well Named can help clarify this. I assume it's somewhat because the ~5 exiled bigots/horrible posters whine and cry about it non****ing stop instead of just not being bigoted/trying to cover up their bigotry to acceptable levels/just posting better overall. I mean if I had to pick one guy best suited to mod said forum it would be Well Named or Hoya - just don't understand why WN would even want to take this on. He's a smart enough guy to know that it either gets nuked like PU/P7 or it will just be another Politics Alpha, which is obviously redundant.

The poll doesn't work in Tapatalk it seems. I'm a yes if I don't get to my browser in time.

All: I deleted some off topic posts. Please stay on topic.

El D, MEb, others: I'll get to some of your questions in a little while.

Rep,


Yes. That’s exactly the core of the issue here. If there’s a moderation problem, why not fix it instead of creating some new forum? And if there’s not a moderation problem, why create a new forum?

I mean I either won't vote or will vote yes if I get to a computer - but it's simply because I like 2p2 trainwrecks/making fun of racist idiots - not because it's in the best interest of the forum or a positive for the forum.