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10-29-2023 , 10:58 AM
I have a problem with the moderator Bobo Fett. Why is my account Rich Checkmaker banned? It makes absolutely no sense. If I'm not allowed to be here, why am I posting from this account right now? Here I am, yet my account Rich Checkmaker is banned? When I ask Bobo for it to be unbanned he sends me a screenshot of me badmouthing the mods on this site. But then why am I allowed to post from this account badmouthing the mods? How does any of this make sense? I'd just like to get my original account back to be able to continue posting here. I don't think that even Bobo Fett could say that my posts aren't interesting and drawing readers to the site yet he refuses to reinstate my old account when thats all I want to be able to post again here. Put me in double blind secret probation or whatever, just reinstate my account. It's been over five years.

I understand the mods have egos, we all do. But if you're going to be in a position of authority shouldn't you put ego aside and do what's best for the site? How is banning my original account that I would post interesting stories from yet allowing this account to stay a good decision? It's not. So make a call, ban me completely from this site and I'll go somewhere else to post my blog and vlog or unban my rich checkmaker account please. And I know how you mods are and what I can expect, so I guess I'm asking to be banned. Thank you.
10-29-2023 , 11:50 AM
10-29-2023 , 01:32 PM
I would just ask Bobo this question, is unbanning my account good or bad for the site? Make your decision based on that criteria imo.

Because if unbanning my old account is bad for this site than by the same token I would posit that keeping this account is also bad for the site.

I'm not perfect, I especially have a problem with authority figures who wield power without a hard set of rules. Contempt of moderator and contempt of cop are not crimes. Don't behave like tyrants guys. Not even to a-holes like me.

10-29-2023 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
...so I guess I'm asking to be banned. Thank you.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...e-quot-204579/
10-29-2023 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
I would just ask Bobo this question, is unbanning my account good or bad for the site? Make your decision based on that criteria imo.

Because if unbanning my old account is bad for this site than by the same token I would posit that keeping this account is also bad for the site.

I'm not perfect, I especially have a problem with authority figures who wield power without a hard set of rules. Contempt of moderator and contempt of cop are not crimes. Don't behave like tyrants guys. Not even to a-holes like me.

10-29-2023 , 07:35 PM
On the one hand I want to say that you shouldn't really care which account you post under.

On the other hand I can apply the same criteria to the mods and ask why they care about which account he is allowed to post under.

I think it's fairly straightforward though. If he's not truly banned, then why not give him back his old account? There really doesn't seem to be any good reason other than ego/needless punitive buttstuff
10-30-2023 , 01:37 PM
What have I done on this site to be banned other than criticize the mods? I don't like the moderators on this site. There I said it. Y'all act like cops and don't realize what dickheads you are. I'm actually very helpful on other subforums (bovada, los angeles). But if badmouthing the moderators aka contempt of cop (which is not a crime) is what is preventing me from getting my old account unbanned, then I'll stop saying it. You can't be the thought police however and I can still think the moderators here are bad. But I will stop saying it if that's the condition to get my old account unbanned.

So how about in a year's time if I haven't badmouthed the moderators then my old account can be unbanned? 5 years? No path to redemption?

Thoughts?
10-30-2023 , 01:56 PM
Off topic.

10-30-2023 , 02:02 PM
I'm not sure if serious, but maybe check your PMs for infraction notifications? Aside from mod interactions, you have infractions for attacking other posters, posting politics stuff in no-politics forums, posting stuff in the politics forum that is specifically not allowed on there, a zillion combative derails, referral spam, etc.

Additionally, you've posted many times that you've learned your lesson and won't step one toe out of line, and then gotten mad about something and gone off on a multi-post rant full of insults. IIRC, this account was allowed to stay after such a promise. IMO, you are often a good poster, but the problem is not the mods who have infracted you, but instead your own lack of self-control. I think you get a lot of slack for the good posting you have done, but that definitely doesn't mean that everything is fine IRT your posting.

My guess is that there is a path to redemption, but that acting out won't get you there, whether the insults are aimed at other mods, fellow posters, or "people who drink diet soda."
10-30-2023 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
My guess is that there is a path to redemption, but that acting out won't get you there...
How about "refusing to post anything worth reading on this site until his account is unbanned"? Will that work?
10-30-2023 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by marknfw
How about "refusing to post anything worth reading on this site until his account is unbanned"? Will that work?
That doesn't mean only shitposting or badmouthing mods, rather I just won't post any interesting live casino reports like I would otherwise. Probably I just won't post very much if at all. I have other ways to waste my time, but I'd prefer to waste it doing something creative like summarizing a live casino trip in an interesting way. I'm sure plenty of people would enjoy reading my writing too.
10-30-2023 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
referral spam
referal spam?

I know that I got infracted for self promotion for trying to link to my vlog on this website. I think I'm the only person who went afoul of that rule maybe in the history of the site but certainly in the last 5 years. Everyone else is allowed to break the self promotion on here but not me. I'm sorry I knowingly broke that rule since I saw everyone else doing it. In a sea of jaywalkers the cops give me a ticket.

If I'm really a spammer I should definitely be banned right?

Anyways, I'm off to the casino.
10-30-2023 , 03:47 PM
I'm pretty sure people wanted links to his stuff. He has one of the best living p&g threads on the site.

Seeing his journey from homeless to being a nl200 end boss on acr is insanely good content.

I remember all the hoops that was required when he and butterfly symmetry had crossover episode doing a hu sng deathmatch. Everyone wanted to watch it and because of silly rules of "no self promotion" i had to get the twitch link from rick via pm and then I risked getting infracted posting the link in the relevant threads so people could watch it.

Had they played on a stream hosted by live at the bike they could have shared the link, playing on ricks twitch is suddenly referral spam.

We also lost another amazing sportsbetting poster in poogs because he posted a link to his wordpress blog one day and got his account banned for "self promotion"

I get the original intention behind no self promoting links, without that rule this site would be hot garbage. But there are other instances where there is genuine demand for it and it's silly to have to one by one get that via pm.
10-30-2023 , 06:32 PM
The rules have changed, and I didn't say that the referral spam was within the last five years. I just went through the infraction listing for his accounts looking for answers to "What have I done on this site to be banned other than criticize the mods?" IIRC, this was from the previous account and was for Bodog sign-ups, or some such. Not really relevant now, except as an answer to the above.

It's more an issue that his current account posted this
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
If I step one toe out of line mods should perma ban me, delete this thread, find me irl, and put a bullet in my head. That's how serious I am about not messing up. I don't have tourettes I can control the filth and vitriol that I think and not spew it online. Or I'll at least filter it in a manner thats tolerable and not toxic. If iI have to be toxic and spew vitriol I will just do it in real life and stay off the internet. Then report the results after I smoke some weed and chill out.
the day after he created it. Then he got his first infraction on the new account less than 2 months later (and no, not for criticizing a mod) .

Since then, he's managed to rack up 3 pages of infractions, 7 user notes and at least three temp-bans that I know of. Over half of those issues are not "contempt of mod," even if it was OK to abuse people for volunteering in a way you don't like. As I said above, the fact that he's also posted some really good stuff is likely the only reason that he's been given so much slack.
10-31-2023 , 09:33 AM
I remember Bobo Fett being a good fair-minded decent sort of guy in all my interactions with him. The very model of a modern 2p2 mod imo.
10-31-2023 , 01:02 PM
I've had to view twoplustwo from a different browser since I was banned for five years now because I don't want to clear my internet cache and when I open the site it won't let me even view it. I tried to create another account the other day and it got instabanned based on my IP. The level of inconvenience to me is very high, that's part of the reason why I care.

I'm not going to fundamentally change, I'm a 37 year old man. I can try to improve myself and my behaviors but fundamentally I'm going to still be the same person, nothing can change that except if a donkey kicks me in the head or a rail spike impales my frontal lobe. As Popeye so eloquently put it, "I yam what I yam". Me changing seems to be a requirement to get my old account back however and I'm not saying I'm unwilling to change, I'm saying it's impossible. Asking me to do something impossible seems like it's asking too much to me.

I've asked Bobo for something concrete to look forward rather than at his whim when he thinks I've changed. Will I get it? Is it unreasonable to ask to be unbanned in a year from now? Tell me how I should behave in that timeframe and I'll do it.

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Originally Posted by Garick
The rules have changed, and I didn't say that the referral spam was within the last five years. I just went through the infraction listing for his accounts looking for answers to "What have I done on this site to be banned other than criticize the mods?" IIRC, this was from the previous account and was for Bodog sign-ups, or some such. Not really relevant now, except as an answer to the above.

It's more an issue that his current account posted this
the day after he created it. Then he got his first infraction on the new account less than 2 months later (and no, not for criticizing a mod) .

Since then, he's managed to rack up 3 pages of infractions, 7 user notes and at least three temp-bans that I know of. Over half of those issues are not "contempt of mod," even if it was OK to abuse people for volunteering in a way you don't like. As I said above, the fact that he's also posted some really good stuff is likely the only reason that he's been given so much slack.
Yes I was incorrect in saying that all of my infractions were for bad mouthing the mods. I should have added "recently".

Look if I deserve to be banned, go ahead and ban me then. If not why can't I have my old account back? I think rickroll answered that question correctly: "punitive buttstuff".

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Originally Posted by kioshk
I remember Bobo Fett being a good fair-minded decent sort of guy in all my interactions with him. The very model of a modern 2p2 mod imo.
I generally agree he's one of the better mods on here. He's still a cop though. He's also Canadian. These are the facts against him.
10-31-2023 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick

He's also Canadian.
This would explain a lot, and not in a good way, Canada having gone off the rails and fallen into the ravine of frankly peculiar thinking lately.
10-31-2023 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
Yes I was incorrect in saying that all of my infractions were for bad mouthing the mods. I should have added "recently"
Which recent infraction was for bad mouthing the mods? I don't see any. Your last 5 infractions were for:
- Ignoring thread rules
- Inappropriate post (2x)
- Political Derail
- Continued Transphobia

Between your two accounts, there are 24 (!) infractions. If anything it looks like mods on here have a soft spot for you. Otherwise the SimpleRick account would have been banned a long time ago.
10-31-2023 , 07:25 PM
idk about his specific situation but the overwhelming majority of "transphobic" infractions and post deletions were not hateful nor bigoted posts but rather fairly mainstream opinions

if we had the level of tiptoeing required in the trans threads held up to every political thread then every thread would be shut down

it's clear from modding that there is a "correct stance" and anything that politely argues otherwise is often labeled transphobic

i have not been infracted in those threads but i've been called transphobic and a hateful bigot quite a bit in those threads - i challenge someone who isn't a dipshit to find and quote where I actually was being transphobic

also, rick did have a troll repeatedly posting in his p&g asking about tatted up trannies or something so it's plausible it could have been him responding to the troll
10-31-2023 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
That doesn't mean only shitposting or badmouthing mods, rather I just won't post any interesting live casino reports like I would otherwise. Probably I just won't post very much if at all. I have other ways to waste my time, but I'd prefer to waste it doing something creative like summarizing a live casino trip in an interesting way. I'm sure plenty of people would enjoy reading my writing too.
oh how will i cope.

11-01-2023 , 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by kioshk
I remember Bobo Fett being a good fair-minded decent sort of guy in all my interactions with him. The very model of a modern 2p2 mod imo.
Agree. As the global mod under Mat and now sort of acts as Mat now, I thought he always generally did a good job across a number of different forums including politics in the last couple of years. His experience definitely comes in handy.
11-01-2023 , 04:54 AM
Just wanted to pop in and say I'm not ignoring this; I've asked my fellow moderators for some input. I'll leave it at that for now.
11-01-2023 , 10:16 PM
I've had interactions with both Mike and Bobo in the last two weeks. Both of the issues were my screw ups, I apologized and moved on. If we didn't have mods the site would be littered with spam and bullshit that no one wants to see.
11-01-2023 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Just wanted to pop in and say I'm not ignoring this; I've asked my fellow moderators for some input. I'll leave it at that for now.
11-03-2023 , 02:53 AM
I remember you. Your old account was interesting. I will unban you if Bobo gives me permission.

But don't **** up again or you are done. peace/
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